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tooki:

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--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 17, 2023, 11:55:08 pm ---Unfortunately it's going off the rails again. The problem with deleting posts is that you piss people off and they can potentially leave the forum in a huff. Yet I don't want to have to say "Please keep it on topic" every page. And I don't want to lock it. So  :-//

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The problem is that as soon as you and others introduce (and keep using) the term “cancel culture” as a synonym for “censorship, vengeance, and oppression”, you’re using a partisan definition of the term, which inexorably draws politics into the mix.

See https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/08/17/how-americans-feel-about-cancel-culture-and-offensive-speech-in-6-charts/ ; I assume the results would be similar in other English speaking countries, too.

It’s frustrating — and thus tempting to respond to — to see so many conservative opinions and misrepresentations presented as fact, rather than opinion. But as soon as anyone attempts to debate the point, “it’s politics” (even though the original statements were, too…) and you tell us to stop, but then yourself go right back to reiterating the conservative claim/opinion. 

The fact that Dilbert has/had large popularity among nerds does not, IMHO, justify a special exemption to the no-politics rule, given that the entire premise is inherently political.

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Those results are interesting. As a Brit, I've only ever heard of the term accountability, in relation to cancel culture in US left-leaning outlets and a minority of posters in this thread.

I suppose it's not surprising. It just proves cancel culture generally is in favour of the left and against the right. It's easy to support it and call it accountability, if it's not you who's being censored. Most Russains and Chinese government officials also support cancelling those who have expressed views contrary to those in power. They wouldn't call it censorship, but holding enemies of the people to account.

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It doesn’t prove that at all. All it proves is that both sides aren’t even debating the same thing, since they don’t have a shared definition of the terminology.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: tooki on March 19, 2023, 03:37:36 pm ---It's possible to discuss many things without involving politics, but it's basically impossible with extremely politically-loaded terms like "cancel culture".

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Not sure what "many things" covers exactly. But almost all matters involving social interactions involve politics in the general sense. So it's not possible to discuss them without involving politics, in fact.

What we can do is remain calm and courteous, and stick to what people *say* rather than extrapolate things we project onto them from just a few words. That would be a good start.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: tooki on March 21, 2023, 07:10:03 pm ---It doesn’t prove that at all. All it proves is that both sides aren’t even debating the same thing, since they don’t have a shared definition of the terminology.
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You do know that you don't actually have to respond to and debate people, right?

EEVblog:
UPDATE:
Adams answered a question on today's show about the Dilbert archives and what he's doing with them. He said he hasn't figured out where to put them yet. So sounds as though he has all the rights, but maybe not to the domain?
Dilbert.com now redirects to his Link tree which links to Locals, Youtube, and Twitter.

Maybe he does now own/have control of dilbert.com, but it could also just be the syndication company doing him a favour with a redirect.
IMO it was a bad business decision not to completely own and control the website. If he did, everything could and would have just stayed the same.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: m k on March 21, 2023, 04:56:33 pm ---Is cancel a revenge?
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It's punishment for non-compliance with their "social order" for want of a better word. Those who wield it are otherwise weak and pathetic people who have discovered it's a way to gain power and control.

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