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Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website
EEVblog:
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--- Quote ---negotitated with the syndication company that they hand everything back to him
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Possibly couldn't be done. The probability is that it will use some CMS which is common to all the sites the syndication company hosts, so what you're actually suggesting is they give him a copy of their internal setup - code, database, etc. I suspect that's not going to happen for anything less than a buyout, and certainly not if one side gets the boot.
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Yeah, could be, fair enough.
EDIT: I do recall him mentioning once that the Dilbert website and a whole host of other comic websites went down because of a central issue.
SiliconWizard:
That is likely.
But whatever the reason, it's always a big risk, and a bad idea, to heavily depend on an external structure to run your business.
Now what's possible is that (possibly up until now) he never really saw himself as a business owner, and maybe all the business side of things is not his cup of tea.
But that's the cost of independence.
Zero999:
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--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 17, 2023, 11:55:08 pm ---Unfortunately it's going off the rails again. The problem with deleting posts is that you piss people off and they can potentially leave the forum in a huff. Yet I don't want to have to say "Please keep it on topic" every page. And I don't want to lock it. So :-//
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The problem is that as soon as you and others introduce (and keep using) the term “cancel culture” as a synonym for “censorship, vengeance, and oppression”, you’re using a partisan definition of the term, which inexorably draws politics into the mix.
See https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/08/17/how-americans-feel-about-cancel-culture-and-offensive-speech-in-6-charts/ ; I assume the results would be similar in other English speaking countries, too.
It’s frustrating — and thus tempting to respond to — to see so many conservative opinions and misrepresentations presented as fact, rather than opinion. But as soon as anyone attempts to debate the point, “it’s politics” (even though the original statements were, too…) and you tell us to stop, but then yourself go right back to reiterating the conservative claim/opinion.
The fact that Dilbert has/had large popularity among nerds does not, IMHO, justify a special exemption to the no-politics rule, given that the entire premise is inherently political.
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Those results are interesting. As a Brit, I've only ever heard of the term accountability, in relation to cancel culture in US left-leaning outlets and a minority of posters in this thread.
I suppose it's not surprising. It just proves cancel culture generally is in favour of the left and against the right. It's easy to support it and call it accountability, if it's not you who's being censored. Most Russains and Chinese government officials also support cancelling those who have expressed views contrary to those in power. They wouldn't call it censorship, but holding enemies of the people to account.
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It doesn’t prove that at all. All it proves is that both sides aren’t even debating the same thing, since they don’t have a shared definition of the terminology.
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The fact the left sees it as a positive thing and the right negative, should tell you all you need to know. The fact that euphemisms such as accountability are often used, rather than censor, by authoritarian governments should also elicit some level of alarm. Try going to Uganda and walking down the street wearing a rainbow T-shirt. They'll throw you in jail fairly quickly, as "spreading LGBT propaganda" is illegal over there. Of course they would tell the Swiss/USA authorities you were attempting to subvert society and promote dangerous activities, which is "their truth" of course.
A big problem is people on different parts of the political spectrum have adopted differing definitions of words to match their agenda, which makes debate impossible. It's one of the things which is responsible for maintaining the political divide.
Whatever word you choose, the phenomenon of companies and organisations sacking/no-platforming/disassociating themselves from people, due to pressure placed on them from political activists on social media is real. It doesn't change the fact that it's true, whether you call it something nice such as accountability, or bad like censorship or cancel culture.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 22, 2023, 08:56:56 pm ---But whatever the reason, it's always a big risk, and a bad idea, to heavily depend on an external structure to run your business.
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Or at least ensure that an export is possible. In this case of the CMS system, I'm not sure why it wouldn't be possible to say export a list of subscribers so you could start up and seed your new website.
--- Quote ---Now what's possible is that (possibly up until now) he never really saw himself as a business owner, and maybe all the business side of things is not his cup of tea.
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He has started dozens of business that has failed. Mentioned them many time.
That actually the basis of one of his books, how he failed at many businesses and Dilbert was the standout sucess.
james_s:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 22, 2023, 09:23:01 pm ---The fact the left sees it as a positive thing and the right negative, should tell you all you need to know. The fact that euphemisms such as accountability are often used, rather than censor, by authoritarian governments should also elicit some level of alarm.
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I'm just struck by how quickly it flipped. It was always the conservatives that were all about conformity and it was the left that was fighting and protesting for freedom of speech and freedom of expression, the right to talk about anything, even controversial things without consequences, I mean it's just talk after all, not attacks or threats. Then somehow that flipped, and it happened so quickly I was caught off guard.
Actually that incident that occurred with the Dixie Chicks that someone brought up earlier is interesting because it happened just 20 years ago when at the time I think it was still fair to say that the left was still the prevailing supporter of freedom of speech and the right was still into conformity. It was the right that was seemingly obsessed with homosexuals, it was conservatives that behaved like the very nosy neighbor my friend had who used to lecture him and make comments about the fact that he lived with his girlfriend and wasn't married. The right is still overwhelmingly the party of religion but the left now has become the purveyors of conformity and their ideologies have become almost a religion, dogma that cannot be questioned, else you are a heathen to be destroyed. Libertarianism was once a faction of liberalism but now seems to be lumpd firmly with conservatism.
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