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Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website
coppice:
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* encouraging people to have views that many regard as being incorrect, divisive, and worse
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What views can any person have that many don't regard as being incorrect, divisive and worse?
It doesn't matter what your views are on anything, somebody somewhere is going to think they're wrong, divisive and downright offensive. This used to be ok and we would just agree to disagree with those people. The world was a better place when people were able to do that.
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The most divisive thing of all is suppressing the views of others. You have to be of the most brutally authoritarian and oppressive nature to think you absolutely know what is correct, at least outside a STEM discipline.
.RC.:
--- Quote from: james_s on May 12, 2023, 10:07:08 pm ---
It doesn't matter what your views are on anything, somebody somewhere is going to think they're wrong, divisive and downright offensive. This used to be ok and we would just agree to disagree with those people. The world was a better place when people were able to do that.
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I am sorry my good man but room 101 for you. You obviously missed your copy of the 23'rd edition of the newspeak dictionary.
Diversity noun Where the freedom of expression and ideas are encouraged, provided they are all the one and the same with government, and approved corporate and entities.
Edit: Oh hell I just buggered up, I said "man", I should have said <insert non-gendered term for human here>. I will take myself to room 101.
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 12, 2023, 09:47:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 12, 2023, 01:47:32 pm ---Strawman arguments. See the emphasised part in my statement.
Many people (and possibly the majority) have had similar and far far worse problems in their life without feeling the need to conduct their therapy in public
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He did NOT do that. He off-handed mentioned it once. Few people would actually know unless you happened to catch a small part of that one episode where he admitted it. It's not like he came out every morning and pleaded for everyone to stay and listen to him otherwise he'd kill himself. Nothing like that ever happened. His show is not a therapy session.
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Not following Adams' personal life, all I have to go on is your statement...
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 12, 2023, 11:54:54 am ---And this might be a tad embaressing for you to find out, but he has said that doing these live streams literally saved his life.
He was on blood pressure medication, one of the side effects being that it made him suidical. Throw in a divorce, losing his step son due to drugs, and things weren't that great for him.
But he said that getting up every day and doing this live show was the thing that kept him going.
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That sounds like therapy for him which has "kept him going" and has (I'm glad to hear) "literally saved his life".
--- Quote ---No different to people who find value in their daily work or family life that keeps them going, while secretely having problems.
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True - as I noted many people find themselves in equivalent situations. But most people aren't self-proclaimed "expert on persuasion" and "influential observer", and don't broadcast their streams of consciousness.
Yes, being a "self-proclaimed" X is an orange flag. Ditto proclaiming yourself powerful or a lady.
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--- Quote ---Apart from that, of course he should be able to espouse such views - and I should be able to note that I find the way he delivers the views is poor and is akin to "letters written in green ink". (Yes, back in the 80s I saw several such letters written to VCs, and shared their amusement).
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That's no the way you are coming across, not at all.
--- Quote ---nor with expounding far left/right politics.
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Bugger off. Again, you are practically saying that something is wrong with him by enjoying having a live youtube show talking about daily politics. He clearly enjoys doing his show, he likes talking about and analysing this stuff, why shouldn't he do it?
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No, I'm not saying that. I am noting that, to me, his delivery style is akin to "letters written in green ink".
Are you saying I shouldn't hold that view, and/or that I should spend a couple of hours a day doing the equivalent of reading letters written in green ink?
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: james_s on May 12, 2023, 10:07:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 12, 2023, 12:17:47 pm ---
* encouraging people to have views that many regard as being incorrect, divisive, and worse
--- End quote ---
What views can any person have that many don't regard as being incorrect, divisive and worse?
It doesn't matter what your views are on anything, somebody somewhere is going to think they're wrong, divisive and downright offensive. This used to be ok and we would just agree to disagree with those people. The world was a better place when people were able to do that.
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Agreed to some extent. It isn't black and white; it is all shades of grey.
Nonetheless I don't like seeing preachers (religious, political, and otherwise) encouraging other people to have extremist views that harm third parties. Unsocial media makes that too easy.
james_s:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 13, 2023, 12:38:40 am ---Agreed to some extent. It isn't black and white; it is all shades of grey.
Nonetheless I don't like seeing preachers (religious, political, and otherwise) encouraging other people to have extremist views that harm third parties. Unsocial media makes that too easy.
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I don't either, but again it's very hard to have a view that somebody somewhere doesn't think is extremist and harmful to third parties. As someone that is all over the place politically and overall somewhere close to the center, both the far left AND the far right thinks that some of my views are extremist and harmful to third parties. Not only is it all shades of gray, it's all relative. It's a lot like voltage, the reading you get all depends on which point you decide to call "ground" and you can have two completely different readings that are both valid and correct.
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