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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 14, 2023, 08:59:06 pm ---It's subjective and open to interpretation to some degree. Not all black people find what Scott Adams said offensive. Some have interpreted as him referring specifically to blacks who hate whites and even agree with him.
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Most black people, and in particular black pundits did not find it offensive at all.
Show me one black pundit who was grossly offended and outraged by it and wanted him cancelled and I'll show you a dozen that were not. Adams has been on many black hosted shows and podcasts explaining it and they all agree with him.
Practically all the outrage came from the (white) media which were already against him and were looking for any excuse to take him out. Dumb move on Adam's part from a business point of view, but he did it deliberately to provoke the discussion.
Anyway, this is all just rehashing what's been discussed before.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 14, 2023, 04:51:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 14, 2023, 02:32:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 14, 2023, 02:20:57 pm ---Not sure why you say that. My understanding is they do have the choice, on multiple platforms.

--- End quote ---

That's not how the newspaper business works. No syndication company, no comic in newspapers.
And in this case said syndication company had the website and reader database.

--- End quote ---

Sure. So what? That doesn't conflict with what I wrote!
People do still have the choice of reading Adams' output, because Adams has arranged for it to be on other platforms.
Such free market choice and activities are just what libertarians love and promote.
--- End quote ---

You know very well this is about Adam's being cancelled and having the newspaper distribution taken away from him completely.
Countless millions of people can no longer read it in newspapers, like they have done for 30 years, it's not an option any more.
His website and database was also taken away from him, and that's were almost everyone else read it for free, including myself.

Now if we want it we have to pay for it direct from Adam's otherwise he doesn't get paid anything. Whereas before he got paid via newspaper syndication rights and by advertising revenue on the website email list (again, via the syndication company who controlled it).

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 15, 2023, 02:32:50 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 14, 2023, 04:51:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 14, 2023, 02:32:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 14, 2023, 02:20:57 pm ---Not sure why you say that. My understanding is they do have the choice, on multiple platforms.

--- End quote ---

That's not how the newspaper business works. No syndication company, no comic in newspapers.
And in this case said syndication company had the website and reader database.

--- End quote ---

Sure. So what? That doesn't conflict with what I wrote!
People do still have the choice of reading Adams' output, because Adams has arranged for it to be on other platforms.
Such free market choice and activities are just what libertarians love and promote.
--- End quote ---

You know very well this is about Adam's being cancelled and having the newspaper distribution taken away from him completely.

--- End quote ---

Not quite. This sub-thread is about something different, specifically a comment by Zero999, viz with my emphasis

--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 14, 2023, 02:20:57 pm ---...

--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 14, 2023, 12:35:55 pm ---There are plenty of others who would have been happy to continue to see [Adams'] content, in various publications, yet no longer have the choice.

--- End quote ---

Not sure why you say that. My understanding is they do have the choice, on multiple platforms.

--- End quote ---

That context has been "lost". (The ability to include multiple levels of quoting to preserve context is vital when having subtle conversations on a forum, and is one reason I ignore StackExchange EDABoard and similar.)

My point, which Zero999 has not contested, is that people do still have the choice. A different choice, but a choice nonetheless.


--- Quote ---Countless millions of people can no longer read it in newspapers, like they have done for 30 years, it's not an option any more.
His website and database was also taken away from him, and that's were almost everyone else read it for free, including myself.

Now if we want it we have to pay for it direct from Adam's otherwise he doesn't get paid anything. Whereas before he got paid via newspaper syndication rights and by advertising revenue on the website email list (again, via the syndication company who controlled it).

--- End quote ---

Agreed. That is beyond doubt.

Creators losing control of their content is not a new phenomenon[1]. It is written into the contract between creators and distributors. Maybe that is/was a "Faustian bargain", but both parties did enter into it willingly.

Personally, like many others, I was happy to be a freeloader and I feel I have lost something by not being able to see new content in a newspaper/website. I - and the many others - will have to make our own minds up about how much we have lost. That is a personal choice which is open to everybody: money for access to content.

[1] Taylor Swift is one recent well-publicised example. Another more surprising one is Arnold Schwarzenegger and his film "Pumping Iron"; he has become embarassed by it and has (allegedly) spent a lot of his money buying up copies so nobody can see them.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 15, 2023, 02:26:13 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 14, 2023, 08:59:06 pm ---It's subjective and open to interpretation to some degree. Not all black people find what Scott Adams said offensive. Some have interpreted as him referring specifically to blacks who hate whites and even agree with him.
--- End quote ---

Most black people, and in particular black pundits did not find it offensive at all.
Show me one black pundit who was grossly offended and outraged by it and wanted him cancelled and I'll show you a dozen that were not. Adams has been on many black hosted shows and podcasts explaining it and they all agree with him.
Practically all the outrage came from the (white) media which were already against him and were looking for any excuse to take him out.

--- End quote ---

Yes, that kind of "proactive offence" being taken on behalf of others is a very destructive trend.

My favourite discussion of it is from the West Wing:


To save readers 2mins of their remaining life, the TLDR is:

* political aides worried that having a black kid being the President's bagcarrier is politically bad optics
* they ask the head of the armed services, a black man
* his response is "will you treat him with respect and pay him a fair wage?". "Yes". "Then should I care. I've got real life problems to deal with and can't be worried about cosmetic ones?"
I like that attitude.


--- Quote ---Dumb move on Adam's part from a business point of view, but he did it deliberately to provoke the discussion.

--- End quote ---

Agreed.

A principal difference between adults and children is that adults are expected to take responsibility for their actions and accept the consequences. I presume Adams is doing that gracefully.

But are other people being "proactively offended" on his behalf?

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 15, 2023, 09:17:07 am ---A principal difference between adults and children is that adults are expected to take responsibility for their actions and accept the consequences. I presume Adams is doing that gracefully.
But are other people being "proactively offended" on his behalf?
--- End quote ---

The opposite. White SJW's are being proactively offended on behalf of black people. Nothing new there, that's how the modern world operates.
But yes, Adams is taking is gracefully. This not an off-handed remark on his part, he deliberately put his career on the line to steer the race issue in a different direction. That's not me guessing, he's admitted this.

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