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IanB:
Notice how there is no-one else responding to your posts?

It is because they are all tired of how you keep advancing nonsensical arguments that are not supported by mathematics, physics or logic, and then you keep asking people to do work to disprove your fallacies.

We don't care that you demonstrate an improper understanding of science, engineering or mathematics. It is not our problem, and it doesn't affect us that you are wrong.

Please stop dragging up the same tired old rubbish, go away, and keep it to yourself.
electrodacus:

--- Quote from: IanB on November 21, 2022, 04:08:12 am ---Notice how there is no-one else responding to your posts?

It is because they are all tired of how you keep advancing nonsensical arguments that are not supported by mathematics, physics or logic, and then you keep asking people to do work to disprove your fallacies.

We don't care that you demonstrate an improper understanding of science, engineering or mathematics. It is not our problem, and it doesn't affect us that you are wrong.

Please stop dragging up the same tired old rubbish, go away, and keep it to yourself.

--- End quote ---

Maybe they starting to question their understanding about the subject.
As mentioned earlier your math doesn't add up. According to you 1x treadmill speed relative to ground equals 2x vehicle speed also relative to ground in the opposite direction.
That is not what is observed in reality.
In fact with just math you can show a 1:1 gear ratio where vehicle moves 2 squares while treadmill is not moving at all. Will that represent reality ? A non moving treadmill powers a 1:1 geared vehicle ? How will that work.



If your theory was adding up and was able to predict what happens I will happy to change my mind and admit I was wrong and also apologize for all the wasted time.
But as of now what I think happens perfectly describes what is observed and is according to accepted physics like Newton's laws and conservation of energy.
Brumby:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on November 21, 2022, 05:20:47 am ---Maybe they starting to question their understanding about the subject.

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Absolutely not.

IanB is spot on with this analysis:

--- Quote from: IanB on November 21, 2022, 04:08:12 am ---Notice how there is no-one else responding to your posts?

It is because they are all tired of how you keep advancing nonsensical arguments that are not supported by mathematics, physics or logic, and then you keep asking people to do work to disprove your fallacies.

We don't care that you demonstrate an improper understanding of science, engineering or mathematics. It is not our problem, and it doesn't affect us that you are wrong.

Please stop dragging up the same tired old rubbish, go away, and keep it to yourself.

--- End quote ---
Brumby:
The reason why you have such a significant problem is because you are stubborn, close-minded and have preconceived ideas which prevents you from being open to learning.

Here is a perfect example:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on November 20, 2022, 09:59:58 pm ---..... as there is no other way for the vehicle to work.

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* sigh *
electrodacus:

--- Quote from: Brumby on November 21, 2022, 08:00:34 am ---The reason why you have such a significant problem is because you are stubborn, close-minded and have preconceived ideas which prevents you from being open to learning.

Here is a perfect example:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on November 20, 2022, 09:59:58 pm ---..... as there is no other way for the vehicle to work.

--- End quote ---

* sigh *

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Maybe I do not express myself correctly and that should read "there is no other way I can see or was presented that could work"

And main point IanB makes was debunked.
Hes mathematical model can output anything and while consistent with math is not consistent with physics.

As I mentioned earlier his own model can predict the vehicle will move say a random 2 squares to the left with a vehicle that has a 1:1 gear ratio while treadmill will not move at all.
I hope you agree that it will be absurd to claim that vehicle that moved (work was done) was powered by a treadmill that did not move at all.
So yes vehicle can move if you push it but it can not be powered by the treadmill without involving energy storage and stick slip hysteresis.
It is not only that energy storage and stick slip histeresis perfectly explains what happens but it can also be seen happening in the video I provided.
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