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| eti:
Anyone wishing to imply that American "English" is still valid English, might like to consider this for a second: if part of an English family emigrated to America in the 1800s, then years later, their descendants flew back to England, from America, and demanded instant English citizenship, can you see how that would turn out? "But my great great grandfather was English, so I'm entitled, and technically I'm almost English by ancestry" Yeah? NO. |
| TimFox:
Genetics, ethnicity, history, citizenship, subjecthood (or whatever you call it over there), food, and language are quite different concepts. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: eti on September 23, 2021, 12:31:36 am ---Anyone wishing to imply that American "English" is still valid English, might like to consider this for a second: if part of an English family emigrated to America in the 1800s, then years later, their descendants flew back to England, from America, and demanded instant English citizenship, can you see how that would turn out? "But my great great grandfather was English, so I'm entitled, and technically I'm almost English by ancestry" Yeah? NO. --- End quote --- In many respects, US English is more similar to what was spoken in Britain, back in the 1500s. British English has changed more since then, whist American English has remained truer to the original. Many words widely believed to be Americanisms are actually British, but have died out and been re-imported. Take the word gotten, the past tense of got, for example. It almost died out in Britain, during the Victorian era, becoming rare in the 20th centruary, has recently enjoyed a revival, thanks to US English. Although I'm no fan of US English, to me it sounds less vulger and more educated, than some British working class dialects, although that might be because US media tends to use more upper class, standard American English. |
| bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: TimNJ on September 22, 2021, 02:54:24 pm ---But, my point is the "corporate-speak" ≠ "formal language". Speaking nonsense does not really help anyone, and probably just makes things more confusing for everyone. --- End quote --- I understand what you mean. And my point was exactly to show that the corporatespeak has its origins in an abuse of the formal language. Once you agree that you have to conform to certain rules, those very rules are then employed to include all sorts of ideologies. So, to get rid of the nonsensical coroporatespeak you have to have in mind that you'll still have certain formal constraints. |
| Sal Ammoniac:
--- Quote from: eti on September 23, 2021, 12:31:36 am ---Anyone wishing to imply that American "English" is still valid English, might like to consider this for a second: if part of an English family emigrated to America in the 1800s, then years later, their descendants flew back to England, from America, and demanded instant English citizenship, can you see how that would turn out? "But my great great grandfather was English, so I'm entitled, and technically I'm almost English by ancestry" Yeah? NO. --- End quote --- Red herring. Citizenship has nothing to do with what language you speak. Besides, why would an American want British citizenship? :-// If these descendants flew back to England would people in England be able to understand them? Sure they would. In fact, American idioms are much more common in the UK than British idioms are in the States. |
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