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Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« on: May 11, 2022, 02:03:25 am »
he thinks he's "solving" problems, and yet conveniently RAKES in the cash, and it's all done under the pretence of "justice". What a childish schmuck - his body language and clothing, and - <ahem> - "tactics" - I had little respect for Mr Rober before, so-called ex-NASA and ex-Apple "engineer" - makes me wonder WHY he is "ex" both of these? Also, and not of insignificance, he is using animals to "clean up" these call centres. What does he think his childish "prank" is going to "solve"? They need education and to be shown their error of their ways with KINDNESS and compassion, not some jumped up yank with his cap on back to front, dressed like he's in high school  :palm:


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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2022, 02:09:13 am »
I think Rober is great, I love it when someone makes a thief or scammer's life more difficult and it's funny too. He's well spoken and produces good quality videos, his devices are cleverly engineered and work well. You are free to try compassion against these idiots but personally I'm fed up and would resort to explosives by now if it were legal to do so. Show them the error of their ways? Hah! Haven't met many tweakers (methamphetamine addicts) have you?

Ironically the title of this thread reflects my thoughts almost exactly about your post. I mean why? What compels you to post angry fuming rants? What does it add to the discussion on a technical forum such as this?
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2022, 02:42:53 am »
Have to say I'm a lot more with James than Eti on this one. Far too many scammers out there, because it's just so easy if you're not into tech. A little bit of payback seems fair - sauce for the goose being sauce for the gander and all that.
 
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2022, 04:47:00 am »
I feel pretty much the same way about videos and forum threads debunking some "thing". Especially when it is transparently just seeking to stir up controversy either for the sake of it or for generating cheap low effort video views. Mark Rober, whose videos that I have watched are pretty entertaining and well made with a commendable amount of hard work put into them. So although I haven't seen this one yet I expect it is well made. I find the clever squirrels more fun than glitter bombs I have to say.
Mark Rober and many other YT creators are just doing what they feel they have to to succeed in the environment of their YT overlords. These scammers are no different operating in their own environment. Both are evolving their techniques to adapt to what works for them to achieve their goals.

But please don't post the video and help others (like me) who may have ignored it in blissful ignorance otherwise. Perhaps generating outrage is part of the plan to help spread the word.
 

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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2022, 05:24:45 am »
I'm with James on this one. 

Eti if you really want to get upset about vigilanties, look up bait bike pranks on youtube.
 

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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2022, 05:47:38 am »
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They need education and to be shown their error of their ways with KINDNESS and compassion,
1. You are talking about "people" who scam defenceless people out of whatever little money they have or even their life savings. They are crooks, create misery in whatever they touch and deserve whatever nasty come their way.
2. Kindness is something that's for the victim first, abuser/criminal second.
3. Kindness clearly doesn't work with these "people".
4. These "people" are well aware of what they are doing and are arrogant about it. There are videos where scammers brag to him and are smug about the whole thing. They know full well the error of their ways and take great pride in it.

The channel is great, if nothing else it exposes the way these "people" work, what they do and how they do it to a wider audience so that they may get a clue.
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not some jumped up yank with his cap on back to front, dressed like he's in high school  :palm:
Yes, there should be a youtube dress code, it's a clear sign of madness :palm:
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2022, 05:58:18 am »
Eti if you really want to get upset about vigilanties, look up bait bike pranks on youtube.

Those are great. I'd advocate doing the same thing with bait cars except I'd hate for an innocent bystander to get hurt in the process. I have absolutely zero compassion for thieves that steal things from people who worked for what they have. I simply do not care if they are annoyed, hurt or even killed. Good riddance, some "people" simply cannot figure out how to function in society and play by the rules no matter how many chances you give them.
 
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2022, 06:27:53 am »
Fighting scammers in countries like that is like, pissing in the wind.

It will make zero difference, they will move on, the law enforcement and justice system won't do anything and if they do it will only be until somebody pays them enough money or leans on the right person to drop it.

This is nothing but getting youtube revenue, not solving a problem, if anything it only serves to make the scammers more careful at hiding, especially if as he says they all share information.
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2022, 06:41:32 am »
Every little bit counts. Pissing off one scammer and ruining their afternoon is worth it.
 
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2022, 06:41:46 am »
It also serves a purpose of exposing the scam. There are plenty of scambaiting videos, but they generally don't go viral. And if this gets propagated to facebook and other places that have lots of potential victims, all the better.

And having a laugh does not hurt either. I see no downsides to that. They can't be all that careful, since they have to interact with victims, so they will always be vulnerable to a certain extent.

You can technically say that Kitboga wasting hours and days of scammer's time is also pointless, but it distracts at least one scammer for that long, exposes and shuts down their US bank accounts. And also entertains 1000s of people.
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2022, 08:11:19 am »
Over a cup of coffee, I'd ask Mark:. Was there some frustration building up first, perhaps as result of perception that these operations run in plain sight, law enforcement / justice being passive, or worse?
   That would be motivation, as a person would not track scammers, for fun...(criminals sometimes are wary, to protect their interests, in nasty ways).  As MS13 organized gang percolates Northward, I wonder if even extending far north, across Canadian 'border'.
 

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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2022, 03:26:39 pm »
as a person would not track scammers, for fun...
What do you mean? That's exactly what all the scambiater channels do. It is extremely fun to see crooks suffer.
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2022, 03:44:42 pm »
I quite enjoy Mark Rober, Jim Browning and the other scam-baiting / scam-trapping fellows on YouTube.  Entertaining viewing and knowing that time spent dealing with these YouTubers costs them money and time in dealing with actual victims.

The sad thing is there's plenty of documentary evidence -- Jim B can find most call centers with a little bit of sleuthing around -- yet it seems they operate nearly with impunity in India and elsewhere.
 
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2022, 04:16:20 pm »
In the absence of effective law enforcement, seems to me that anything that publicises these people & their scams has to be a good thing as it raises awareness to potential victims, and may indirectly result in some political/legal pressure to reform things.
If it can entertain as well, then that's a bonus.
And why shouldn't he and  others involved make a living via Youtube for all the time & resources spent?

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2022, 04:33:51 pm »
It's simply great edutainment. And since the bosses of the scam callcenters pay the local police to turn a blind eye there is little to expect from Indian law enforcement. I agree with Mike, some public awareness might help.
 
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2022, 04:37:48 pm »
It's simply great edutainment. And since the bosses of the scam callcenters pay the local police to turn a blind eye there is little to expect from Indian law enforcement. I agree with Mike, some public awareness might help.
not to mention that the more of the scammers' time gets wasted, the fewer victims get scammed.
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2022, 05:52:19 pm »
I admit I'm not sure what the OP exactly has against this.

And I'm curious to know since when kindness and compassion have ever helped curb scamming.
 
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2022, 06:24:47 pm »
I admit I'm not sure what the OP exactly has against this.

And I'm curious to know since when kindness and compassion have ever helped curb scamming.

Judging by his past history here, he seems to be the sort that is deeply offended by the prospect of somebody somewhere having a good time and enjoying themselves.
 
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2022, 06:43:50 pm »
Come on "eti", not again  :blah:
Mark is a great guy, and is getting lots of young people interested in science and other stuff.
One could claim that if we look at a battery, Mark is the positive wire and you are the negative wire......
 
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2022, 07:53:32 pm »
This bit from The Simpsons is a meme by now, but I think it fits quite well as a response to OP...

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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2022, 07:56:35 pm »
he thinks he's "solving" problems, and yet conveniently RAKES in the cash, and it's all done under the pretence of "justice". What a childish schmuck - his body language and clothing, and - <ahem> - "tactics" - I had little respect for Mr Rober before, so-called ex-NASA and ex-Apple "engineer" - makes me wonder WHY he is "ex" both of these? Also, and not of insignificance, he is using animals to "clean up" these call centres. What does he think his childish "prank" is going to "solve"? They need education and to be shown their error of their ways with KINDNESS and compassion, not some jumped up yank with his cap on back to front, dressed like he's in high school  :palm:

What amazes me most is that this is basically asking a criminal to stick to the law. :bullshit: Maybe it helps if you say please? No doesn't work? Maybe introduce a new law with more paperwork that demands call centers to specify honestly about the work and companies they work for. "Please don't lie!" Would that work? Or would they also bribe those authorities or fake those documents to make it appear like they are actually hired by [insert big company name here]?

I actually just happened to watch this video, as I was bored and mentally tired, and it was an entertaining half hour. (Yes my evenings can be that slow, but don't mind me) In all honesty, from time to time I actually enjoy these video's from YT'ers/streamers that try to mess with these scammer guys. On the one hand it's funny because if you know what they are up to, these (exposed) scammers operate so incredibly stupid. I'm amazed that CCTV cameras still get hacked. That they can just remote into the boss' PC with a password that was keylogged from their own CCTV cameras. :-DD
And even though those videos may only affect the scammers operations with an 1ppm net influence, it's still a good laugh. I don't see a reason to be so bitter about it.

I highly doubt that educating them is going to change anything. It's a mix of people with no moral compass, people in need of money doing any work to make a (high) pay, or professional bribing. Net result is you get criminals.
 

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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2022, 08:26:27 pm »
Thanks Ataradov, it IS funny, to see the pranks,...in an immature vein; I did a great big belly laugh, at some of the tactics.  However, big big trouble, when 'they' start realizing you pose a threat, to, many millions of dollars and associated jobs /jail times...
   Imagine a boss, going to 'Shawhid', a security guy, tell
him "We've got a snitch problem", "We could all get shut down, can you do a few nasty moves, on John Smith, there in Virginia (United States)."
   "Yeah, no probs, my cousin lives right there...does the dude have children ?".  You can imagine how motivated organized crime can get, to reach out across the world, in this, hypothetical.
  You are right, to some extent, it's just silly 'Fart Jokes',
but Mann; I would be looking over my shoulder, after provoking such an organization.  Also, they tend to go to crude weapons, like clubs and bats, for some reason the crude and gross violence has the most 'deterrant' effect. 
   But I appreciated the feedback and most criticism is actually welcome, as I value your views!
 

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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2022, 08:47:59 pm »
They are not that powerful. The only way they can stay in business is because the crimes are local and local authorities don't care. They are not stupid enough to start committing crimes abroad given that they can barely maintain opsec locally.

But as far as combating this stuff, I'd really like to see robust and functional caller ID. I personally would just block all calls from foreign call centers.
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2022, 09:10:06 pm »
Come on "eti", not again  :blah:
Mark is a great guy, and is getting lots of young people interested in science and other stuff.
One could claim that if we look at a battery, Mark is the positive wire and you are the negative wire......

You mis-spelled "whine" there at the end.  ;)
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Re: Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2022, 11:41:16 pm »
Regarding the scammers, I'd be happy to throw supercritical plutonium cores at them, or just a small C4 charge blowing up their balls.
Thise things wouldn't happen in good old Spanish Inquisition times, or in Sparta  :)

About Rober, I don't like it too much, but guess what, he's doing what makes the money.
If acting like a teenager with 40+ years gave me millions, I probably would too!
Take any good quality Channel... gets 100K if lucky!
Do something stupidly awkard, 50M in 2 weeks!
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