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| Brumby:
--- Quote from: magic on February 11, 2022, 11:29:16 pm ---Speaking of pedantry, "native" comes from Latin meaning "born". You aren't born with a language, sorry. --- End quote --- While your level of pedantry is nigh unto stratospheric, I must disagree with your phrasing. You may not be born with a language - but you are born into one. That will be all you know unless you move in multi-lingual circles or learn a new language. --- Quote --- Everybody learns languages --- End quote --- Indeed. --- Quote ---and everybody is equal, obviously. --- End quote --- Not obvious at all. Not even true, IMHO. Note at 1:47 ... (runs for cover) |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: magic on February 11, 2022, 11:29:16 pm ---Speaking of pedantry, "native" comes from Latin meaning "born". You aren't born with a language, sorry. --- End quote --- So what? The etymology of a word does NOT tell you what the word means today!! :palm: So you’re not only being pedantic, you’re being pedantic while being wrong! :-DD --- Quote from: magic on February 11, 2022, 11:29:16 pm ---Everybody learns languages and everybody is equal, obviously. --- End quote --- Not even close, particularly in the topic at hand: native speakers acquired their native language in childhood. Childhood (up to around age 12) language acquisition does not compare to adult language acquisition. It literally occurs in a different part of the brain, so even when adults do manage to acquire true fluency, it’s still not the same as native. (I studied linguistics at university. Did you?) So no, pissant non-native speakers do NOT get to declare what is and isn’t acceptable in a language. |
| tooki:
P.S. While babies aren’t born with a language, they are born with language as such, in that the childhood language acquisition part of the brain is literally made for that purpose. While (for obvious reasons) we cannot perform experimental research into this area, in cases where groups of children have grown up feral, with no adult contact at all, the kids automatically created a private language, with consistent grammar. This means that the pathways for grammar rules are there. Think of it like this: when children learn language, it’s basically programming a specialized DSP whose read-only programming fuses are blown at around age 12. After that, any language acquisition that happens is done in the CPU, which is much less efficient than the DSP. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tooki on February 14, 2022, 07:43:52 am ---Think of it like this: when children learn language, it’s basically programming a specialized DSP whose read-only programming fuses are blown at around age 12. After that, any language acquisition that happens is done in the CPU, which is much less efficient than the DSP. --- End quote --- Interesting. Reminds me of an article I read a long time ago that stated that demented people who migrated to a different country switched back to the language they learned as a child. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: tooki on February 14, 2022, 07:43:52 am ---P.S. While babies aren’t born with a language, they are born with language as such, in that the childhood language acquisition part of the brain is literally made for that purpose. --- End quote --- Tsk, tsk, using "literally" for "metaphorically" a mere two lines after parading your qualifications in linguistics. Literally, the facility evolved, the brain parts themselves grew; neither were "made". :) |
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