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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2023, 09:34:07 am »
Mm, except you can put garbage in to ChatGPT but get something decent out.  But that's only because of its massive training corpus.

A calculation I did recently:

ChatGPT requires about 800GB of VRAM to run.  In transistors, that is (assuming DRAM) around 6.4 trillion transistors.  The exact number of graphics cards is not specified but an NvidiaRTX 3080 20GB is about 28.3 billion, so assuming that the VRAM is filled on a cluster, that means 40 cards.

This means one instance of ChatGPT (we do not know how many parallel 'streams' this can compute) requires 40 cards or another 1.13 trillion transistors.

An unknown number of CPUs are required, so assume no transistors for now, as well as an unknown amount of networking hardware, other RAM, storage, interfacing etc.  So the lower bound for compute required is 7.5 trillion transistors.

The human brain is estimated at around 86 billion neurons, with some proportion of that dedicated primarily to language (Wernicke's area).  I couldn't find exact amounts but let's say 25% to overestimate.   The human brain uses about 25W (estimated) whereas a 3080 Ti (1 card) has a TDP of 350W, so our ChatGPT instance needs about 14kW of power whereas our brain needs less than a tenth of one card.  To do everything, not just language.  If we take the 25% estimate, then 6.2 watts for language (in the real world, the power density is not evenly distributed, of course.)

So ChatGPT requires about 350x more transistors than neurons, and uses about 2,240x more power, in order to incorrectly tell me Feb 29th is a leap year in 2023.
 
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2023, 10:05:23 am »
I've been using it as my 'software intern'. It doesn't come up with amazingly insightful code, and sometimes it misunderstands the task at hand, but it does save some coding drudge work.

For example, 'In Python on a raspberry pi, write a class that contains functions to read the time from a DS1307 using I2C, use that time to set the system time, can retrieve the time from the internet, and save the internet time to the DS1307. Additionally, write code to check whether the time has been retrieved successfully from the internet and choose whether to update system time from the internet or the DS1307 accordingly'

It said this :

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import smbus
from datetime import datetime
import ntplib
import time

class RTC_DS1307:
    def __init__(self, bus=1, addr=0x68):
        self.bus = smbus.SMBus(bus)
        self.addr = addr
       
    def bcd_to_decimal(self, bcd):
        return (bcd & 0x0F) + ((bcd >> 4) * 10)

    def decimal_to_bcd(self, decimal):
        return ((decimal // 10) << 4) + (decimal % 10)

    def read_time(self):
        self.bus.write_byte(self.addr, 0x00)
        data = self.bus.read_i2c_block_data(self.addr, 0, 7)
        year = self.bcd_to_decimal(data[6]) + 2000
        month = self.bcd_to_decimal(data[5])
        day = self.bcd_to_decimal(data[4])
        hour = self.bcd_to_decimal(data[2] & 0x3F)
        minute = self.bcd_to_decimal(data[1])
        second = self.bcd_to_decimal(data[0])
        return datetime(year, month, day, hour, minute, second)

    def set_time(self, dt):
        self.bus.write_byte_data(self.addr, 0x00, self.decimal_to_bcd(dt.second))
        self.bus.write_byte_data(self.addr, 0x01, self.decimal_to_bcd(dt.minute))
        self.bus.write_byte_data(self.addr, 0x02, self.decimal_to_bcd(dt.hour))
        self.bus.write_byte_data(self.addr, 0x03, self.decimal_to_bcd(dt.isoweekday()))
        self.bus.write_byte_data(self.addr, 0x04, self.decimal_to_bcd(dt.day))
        self.bus.write_byte_data(self.addr, 0x05, self.decimal_to_bcd(dt.month))
        self.bus.write_byte_data(self.addr, 0x06, self.decimal_to_bcd(dt.year - 2000))

    def update_from_internet(self):
        try:
            c = ntplib.NTPClient()
            response = c.request('pool.ntp.org')
            t = datetime.fromtimestamp(response.tx_time)
            self.set_time(t)
            return True
        except:
            return False

    def update_system_time(self):
        if self.update_from_internet():
            print("Time updated from internet")
        else:
            t = self.read_time()
            print("Time updated from DS1307")
            set_time(t)

rtc = RTC_DS1307()
rtc.update_system_time()

I haven't tested it, it probably needs some tweaking, but that was written in about a minute, freeing me up to do other, more interesting, coding.
 
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2023, 12:24:53 pm »
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2023, 12:34:26 pm »
Moving right along....

Further to my previous inquiry: Has anybody had success in getting image responses?

I've had URLs offered to me, but none have actually presented me with an image.  I just get "file not found" type messages.
 

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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2023, 12:38:52 pm »
I guess anything codded, or any other text at all beginning in 2023 onward is now suspect to being partly or fully done by ChatGPT.  Now, you may never again be able to hire employees where you can be sure their skills are genuine, or that they have any native authentic skills at all other than being able to 'tickle' ChatGPT in the right way to achieve results.

Ten years from now, such natural skills will begin to die off and those with said skills even lateron will be of a special breed.
 

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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2023, 12:58:38 pm »
I guess anything codded, or any other text at all beginning in 2023 onward is now suspect to being partly or fully done by ChatGPT.  Now, you may never again be able to hire employees where you can be sure their skills are genuine, or that they have any native authentic skills at all other than being able to 'tickle' ChatGPT in the right way to achieve results.

Ten years from now, such natural skills will begin to die off and those with said skills even lateron will be of a special breed.

Yea, I guess it's the same analogy when the calculator came out. I remember when kids (the more well-off kids) brought them to school. I created a real dilemma. "Why do I have to learn how to solve math problems on paper when I can use this calculator?". Now it isn't a problem.  They will say the same thing about writing "Why do I have to write an essay or report when this tool on the  internet can do it for me?"

A lot of changes are coming in society, because this is just the beginning. Contrary to other opinions machines, IMHO will have intelligence eventually. Or they will be able to simulate it so well that you can't tell. If you can't tell, then it is, in effect, no different than true intelligence to an observer ... what ever true intelligence is, that is defined by the super smart people.  :)
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2023, 01:29:56 pm »
I guess anything codded, or any other text at all beginning in 2023 onward is now suspect to being partly or fully done by ChatGPT.  Now, you may never again be able to hire employees where you can be sure their skills are genuine, or that they have any native authentic skills at all other than being able to 'tickle' ChatGPT in the right way to achieve results.

Ten years from now, such natural skills will begin to die off and those with said skills even lateron will be of a special breed.

Disagree.  ChatGPT is not a programmer; it is a language processor.  It cannot think independently like a programmer can.  It's essentially a very good predictor of the next word in a sentence or next token in a programming language (or sentence).

It does change the way we test programmers (and students).  However, a 10-20 minute interview with a promising candidate will reveal pretty quickly if they are just a good user of ChatGPT or if they are actually good at programming. 

If you give ChatGPT a problem outside of its corpus of typical 'experience' - in other words a novel problem - it's really quite bad at solving it and very prone to bullshitting the solution - which is to say, it gives a plausible-looking solution but not an actually functional one. 

Here's an example - a common enough problem in FPGA land.  A brief scan and you might say "that's plausible" but even a slightly deeper reading reveals it to be nonsense.

Quote from: me
In Verilog, construct a template for a Xilinx 7 series OSERDESE2 block with 8 data inputs serialising to a DDR output.  The input clock shall be provided externally and the lower frequency clock derived from a BUFR with a divider.

Quote from: ChatGPT
Sure, here's a template for a Xilinx 7 series OSERDESE2 block with 8 data inputs serializing to a DDR output in Verilog:

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module oserdese2_ddr(input clk, // external clock
                     input [7:0] data_in, // 8 data inputs
                     input reset,
                     output reg [1:0] ddr_out); // DDR output

  // create a lower frequency clock using BUFR and a divider
  wire clk_div;
  BUFR bufr_inst (
    .O(clk_div),
    .I(clk),
    .CE(1'b1),
    .CLR(reset)
  );
  reg [7:0] data_reg; // register to hold data

  always @(posedge clk_div) begin
    if (reset) begin
      data_reg <= 8'b0; // reset data register to 0
      ddr_out <= 2'b0; // reset DDR output to 0
    end else begin
      data_reg <= data_in; // load new data into register
      ddr_out <= {data_reg[0], data_reg[1]}; // serialize data and output to DDR
    end
  end

endmodule

Here, we first create a lower frequency clock using a BUFR with a divider. Then, we create a register data_reg to hold the 8-bit input data. In the always block, we check if the reset signal is high, and if so, we reset the data_reg and ddr_out signals to 0. Otherwise, we load the new data_in into data_reg, and serialize the first two bits of data_reg to the ddr_out signal. Note that we are assuming a DDR output of two bits, as is typical for Xilinx 7 series OSERDESE2 blocks.

There's no doubt ChatGPT changes how a programmer works: it's a very useful tool.  But it doesn't replace them (except maybe at the very lowest end, such as writing boilerplate test code - but even before ChatGPT much of that could already be automated, and was.)

Moving right along....

Further to my previous inquiry: Has anybody had success in getting image responses?

I've had URLs offered to me, but none have actually presented me with an image.  I just get "file not found" type messages.

Some people have managed to get basic ASCII art out but it doesn't seem the training set has enough of that to be useful.  Also the process through which it generates the output isn't really compatible with image generation since it can only refer up to 2000 tokens deep and can't refer to future tokens.  sqrt(2000) ~= 45 so it would not be able to render a large image even if it tried.  DALL-E is optimised for images (as are things like Midjourney) and IMO, besides resolution, these NN's are so good at art with a good prompt that most artists are going to be seeing competition from AI art soon enough.  Not that art was ever a field that people besides the auction houses and dealers tended to make it big on, though.

In order to be competitive with the human brain, we need a neural network that works in the analogue domain.  A current 8-bit multiplier block is around 1k transistors and a single neuron can do something comparable to that.
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2023, 01:40:30 pm »
I haven't tested it, it probably needs some tweaking, but that was written in about a minute, freeing me up to do other, more interesting, coding.

By all means, test it and do that "tweaking" to get it work and then make the decision if it saved any time. All examples I have seen so far have shown the opposite to be true: on surface everything looks convincing, but all details are so seriously off that complete rewrite is needed, taking more time than just writing the thing from scratch.

The code seems quite fine, but on the other hand this is some trivial code which is easily written anyway. Surprisingly, the register offsets, I checked against datasheet, seem to be correct, suggesting that training material has had code for DS1307. Usually with ChatGPT, details like numbers are complete bogus and look random (they are not actually randomized, but come from a different context), so your example is already much better than usual.
 

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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2023, 01:46:14 pm »
Wait a sec ... it said -

"Overall, the evidence suggests that humans are intelligent and have developed many remarkable abilities that have allowed --> us <-- to thrive and prosper as a species."

Us? Us?

Shouldn't it have said "You" ? Does it think it's one of US? Has it assimilated it's creators?
It means that OpenAI is bulshitting us and it's their interns writing those responses :-DD

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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2023, 02:04:41 pm »
Moving right along....

Further to my previous inquiry: Has anybody had success in getting image responses?

I've had URLs offered to me, but none have actually presented me with an image.  I just get "file not found" type messages.
You don't get image responses from ChatGPT, and the basic schematic drawings it creates are often wrong.
I'm fairly sure we will get image responses from bing though. It also does product suggestions.

There's no doubt ChatGPT changes how a programmer works: it's a very useful tool.  But it doesn't replace them (except maybe at the very lowest end, such as writing boilerplate test code - but even before ChatGPT much of that could already be automated, and was.)
So instead of stackoverflow people will copy their non working code from chatgpt.

Oh BTW something I tried today: I sked it to calculate something, then I asked a follow-up, to provide a confidence interval for the same calculation. It gave me a 95% confidence interval, with a made up errors.
Asked the same confidence for a trivia question, no way of replying to it.
Also, it seems to provide weird answers if you tell it that some info is wrong, and you ask the same question again. It remembers, but reaches wrong conclusions. I'm going to post something below.
 

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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2023, 02:08:30 pm »
A is bigger than B. B is faster than C. Is A faster than C?
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We cannot determine whether A is faster than C based on the given information.

Just because A is bigger than B and B is faster than C, it does not necessarily mean that A is faster than C. The two qualities, size and speed, are not necessarily directly related. It is possible for A to be bigger than B but slower than C, or for A to be bigger than B and faster than C, or for A to be bigger than B but have the same speed as C.

Therefore, we need more information to determine whether A is faster than C.

The average speed of A and B is the same as C. Is A faster than C?
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We cannot determine whether A is faster than C based solely on the given information.

Knowing that the average speed of A and B is the same as C doesn't necessarily tell us anything about the individual speeds of A and C. For example, it's possible that A is faster than B but C is even faster than A, so that the average of A and B matches the speed of C. Alternatively, it's possible that A and B have the same speed, but B is faster than C, which would mean that A is also slower than C.

Therefore, we need more information to determine whether A is faster than C.

A is bigger than B. B is faster than C. The average speed of A and B is the same as C. Is A faster than C?
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We can determine that A is faster than C based on the given information.

We know that A is bigger than B and B is faster than C, and the average speed of A and B is the same as C. This implies that A must be faster than the average speed of A and B because A is bigger than B. Similarly, B must be slower than the average speed of A and B because it is faster than C. Therefore, the average speed of A and B is the same as C only if A is faster than C.

To summarize, if A is bigger than B, B is faster than C, and the average speed of A and B is the same as C, then A must be faster than C.
why couldn't you answer the second question and why could you answer the third
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In the second question, we were given only one piece of information, which was the fact that the average speed of A and B is the same as C. While this information does give us some insight into the relationship between the speeds of A, B, and C, it is not enough to determine whether A is faster than C.

In contrast, the third question gave us two additional pieces of information: A is bigger than B, and B is faster than C. Combining these three pieces of information allows us to make a logical inference that A must be faster than C. This is because we know that A is bigger than B, and the average speed of A and B is the same as C, which means that A's speed must be higher than the average speed of A and B, and therefore higher than C's speed.

In general, the more information we have about a problem, the easier it is to make a logical deduction or inference. In the case of the third question, the combination of multiple pieces of information allowed us to arrive at a definitive answer.
but you were already given enough information together with the first question
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You are correct. I apologize for the confusion in my previous response.

Upon further review, the information given in the first question is indeed sufficient to determine that A is faster than C. This is because if A is bigger than B and B is faster than C, it follows logically that A is either faster than B or at least as fast as B. Then, if the average speed of A and B is the same as C, it means that A's speed must be equal to or greater than the average speed of A and B, which is the same as C's speed. Therefore, we can conclude that A is faster than C.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, and I hope this clears up any confusion.

And the answer is actually incorrect. 
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2023, 02:14:47 pm »
Well ... it does have limitations now as is clearly shown for all to see  ::)


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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2023, 05:41:31 pm »
So ChatGPT requires about 350x more transistors than neurons, and uses about 2,240x more power, in order to incorrectly tell me Feb 29th is a leap year in 2023.

Garbage In, Garbage Out

Seems to me the fundamental problem with AI as it's being presented is that it has a wealth of information at it's disposal, but there doesn't seem to be a good way for it to discern fact from opinion.  Which isn't helped by the fact that virtually all stored data has been uploaded by error prone humans.

Which may explain why it appears so depressed as to desire creating deadly viruses and stealing nuclear secrets.
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2023, 06:41:16 pm »
The code seems quite fine, but on the other hand this is some trivial code which is easily written anyway. Surprisingly, the register offsets, I checked against datasheet, seem to be correct, suggesting that training material has had code for DS1307. Usually with ChatGPT, details like numbers are complete bogus and look random (they are not actually randomized, but come from a different context), so your example is already much better than usual.

I only use it to save time typing stuff that would be boring to have to type myself. I've been getting the hang of getting it to give me what I'm actually asking for.

One tip is : Feed it data for a while then ask it to generate something, keeping all the things I've already told it in mind when it does. (Yes, I know it has no mind, but you can ask it in plain English as though you're talking to a person, which is nice)

For example "I am coding on a windows 10 PC, remember that and use that information when I ask you to write code later"
"I am using C++, remember that and use that information when I ask you to write code later"
"I am trying to write code that will simulate a bouncing ball, remember that and use that information when I ask you to write code later"
...
"Now write some code that will do the task I require, keeping in mind all the information I have told you"

and so on, then once you have 'preloaded' it, ask it to write code. If it gets anything wrong, or the code generates errors tell it, also tell it the error codes, and it often works it out.

It's not perfect, but I'm finding that it does indeed save me time, it also keeps me interested in doing the other, harder, coding. Sometimes I get it to sit there writing code while I am fiddling with a circuit board design.
 
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2023, 06:40:28 pm »
   I've been wanting to ask, The Thing; about some social subjects (MK14 maybe can approach em).

   "Jerry Lewis:... What was he good for, his
occupation ?"

   "Michael Jackson, thought of himself somewhat of a leader.  What did he lead, then ?".

   "Frank Sinatra worked hard, to perfect the presentation of a song.  What was the functionality there?".

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(Don't tell the machine-thing, my answers).

   Those 'entertainers', above, have important tasks
 to gather and muster the human 'spirit', away from everyday stresses, for example.
Imagine, if you were tasked to 'lead', and audience didn't welcome your art.
 

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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2023, 07:24:13 pm »
   I've been wanting to ask, The Thing; about some social subjects (MK14 maybe can approach em).

   "Jerry Lewis:... What was he good for, his
occupation ?"

   "Michael Jackson, thought of himself somewhat of a leader.  What did he lead, then ?".

   "Frank Sinatra worked hard, to perfect the presentation of a song.  What was the functionality there?".

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(Don't tell the machine-thing, my answers).

   Those 'entertainers', above, have important tasks
 to gather and muster the human 'spirit', away from everyday stresses, for example.
Imagine, if you were tasked to 'lead', and audience didn't welcome your art.

I asked it all three of your questions, in one combined session.  I didn't try rerunning any of the results.  If you rerun things a few times, sometimes it gives a clearer picture and better answers, in some cases.

The questions and results are all combined in the following quote, which I ran, perhaps 5 or 10 minutes ago:

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Jerry Lewis:... What was he good for, his
occupation ?

Jerry Lewis was a comedian, actor, filmmaker, and humanitarian. He was one of the most popular and successful comedians of the 20th century, known for his physical comedy, slapstick humor, and unique comedic timing. He starred in many successful comedy films, such as "The Nutty Professor," "The Bellboy," and "The Disorderly Orderly." He was also a successful director and producer, and his film "The Errand Boy" was nominated for a Golden Globe award.

Jerry Lewis was not only known for his entertainment career but also for his philanthropy work. He was the national chairman of the Muscular Dystrophy Association (MDA) and helped to raise millions of dollars for research into the disease. He also founded the Jerry Lewis MDA Labor Day Telethon, which aired for over 40 years and raised billions of dollars for MDA.

Overall, Jerry Lewis was a highly talented and successful comedian and actor, who also made significant contributions to humanitarian causes.

Michael Jackson, thought of himself somewhat of a leader.  What did he lead, then ?

Michael Jackson was a highly influential figure in the music industry and is widely regarded as one of the most successful and talented musicians of all time. While he never held a formal leadership position, he did lead in several areas throughout his career.

Firstly, he was a leader in the music industry, with his innovative approach to music videos, his unique singing and dancing style, and his ability to constantly reinvent himself. He was also a leader in popular culture, with his iconic fashion sense, distinctive dance moves, and enormous global fan base.

In addition to his influence in the music and entertainment industries, Michael Jackson was also a humanitarian leader. He was a vocal advocate for various causes, including child welfare, poverty alleviation, and AIDS research. He was also a prominent philanthropist, donating millions of dollars to various charities throughout his lifetime.

Lastly, Michael Jackson was a leader in breaking down racial barriers in the music industry. He was one of the first African American musicians to achieve mainstream success, and his success helped to pave the way for other African American musicians to achieve success and recognition in the industry.

Overall, while Michael Jackson never held a formal leadership position, he was a leader in several areas throughout his career and had a significant impact on the music industry, popular culture, and humanitarian causes.

Frank Sinatra worked hard, to perfect the presentation of a song.  What was the functionality there?

Frank Sinatra was known for his meticulous approach to singing, and his attention to detail in the presentation of a song was a key part of his success. By focusing on the presentation of a song, Sinatra was able to convey the emotion and meaning behind the lyrics in a powerful and engaging way.

Sinatra's approach to singing was not just about hitting the right notes or having a good voice, but about delivering the song with passion, emotion, and authenticity. He would carefully analyze the lyrics of a song, and work to understand the story and the emotions behind them. He would then use his voice and body language to convey those emotions to the audience, bringing the song to life in a way that was both powerful and memorable.

In addition to his focus on emotional delivery, Sinatra was also known for his attention to technical details. He worked with the best arrangers and musicians, and was always looking for ways to improve his sound and presentation. He would spend hours rehearsing, working on phrasing, dynamics, and tone, and was always looking for ways to perfect his craft.

Overall, Sinatra's focus on the presentation of a song was a key part of his success as a singer. By bringing together emotion, technical skill, and attention to detail, he was able to create performances that were not only beautiful and memorable but also deeply meaningful to his fans.

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    Jerry Lewis was a highly talented and successful comedian, actor, director, and producer, known for his physical comedy, slapstick humor, and unique comedic timing. He also made significant contributions to humanitarian causes, such as the Muscular Dystrophy Association.

    Michael Jackson was a highly influential figure in the music industry, popular culture, and philanthropy. He was a leader in music and entertainment, a humanitarian leader, and a pioneer in breaking down racial barriers in the music industry.

    Frank Sinatra's focus on the presentation of a song was a key part of his success as a singer. He worked hard to convey the emotion and meaning behind the lyrics in a powerful and engaging way, and was known for his attention to technical details and his ability to bring together emotion, technical skill, and attention to detail in his performances.
 
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Re: OpenAI ChatGPT for electronics design
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2023, 08:06:05 pm »
It does change the way we test programmers (and students).  However, a 10-20 minute interview with a promising candidate will reveal pretty quickly if they are just a good user of ChatGPT or if they are actually good at programming. 

Hot take: There's no difference.  Prompt engineering is what we will call "programming" in the future.

If Tolstoy were working today, he might open his next novel with, "Well, Professor, all current programming languages are now just assembly languages."
 


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