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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #175 on: December 26, 2023, 11:37:21 pm »
“Barbie” movie was absolute woke-signalling rubbish, but held at gunpoint and forced to choose, I’d take it over Oppenheimer.

I've heard arguments that the supposed "woke" part actually backfired and it turned into a men's rights movie and Ken is the hero?
I don't know though, I haven't seen it.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #176 on: December 27, 2023, 06:00:35 am »
“Barbie” movie was absolute woke-signalling rubbish, but held at gunpoint and forced to choose, I’d take it over Oppenheimer.

I've heard arguments that the supposed "woke" part actually backfired and it turned into a men's rights movie and Ken is the hero?
I don't know though, I haven't seen it.

I don’t have enough interest to care. Society is way off course. It’s all just a big distraction. Let them play with their toy movies.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #177 on: December 27, 2023, 07:49:38 am »
Most people are woke one way or another and can't afford not to care about nonsense ;)
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #178 on: December 27, 2023, 08:24:45 am »
Woke is fine, if done well. 

For example, the movie "Hidden Figures" is about black women computers in the John Glen era of NASA, and is an excellent movie IMO.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #179 on: December 27, 2023, 09:10:57 am »
Woke is fine, if done well. 
For example, the movie "Hidden Figures" is about black women computers in the John Glen era of NASA, and is an excellent movie IMO.

I wouldn't call that one woke by modern standards, just exaggerated period drama.
In fact it had a white director and was accussed of "whitewashing" in some circles:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hidden-figures-and-the-diversity-conversation-we-arent-having_n_58adc9bee4b0d0a6ef470492

But yes, quite enojoyable apart from some technical and storyline exaggerations.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #180 on: December 27, 2023, 09:18:49 am »
I wouldn't call that one woke by modern standards, just exaggerated period drama.
You can bet that some Southerners (in USA) would definitely call it woke, exactly for the exaggeration of racial issues.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #181 on: December 27, 2023, 09:27:41 am »
I found "Hidden Figures" very enjoyable. A good movie is a good movie.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #182 on: December 27, 2023, 10:06:42 am »
I wouldn't call that one woke by modern standards, just exaggerated period drama.
You can bet that some Southerners (in USA) would definitely call it woke, exactly for the exaggeration of racial issues.

No doubt. To me it just didn't at the time have the whole "woke vibe" around it, and still doesn't.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #183 on: December 27, 2023, 03:06:36 pm »
“Barbie” movie was absolute woke-signalling rubbish, but held at gunpoint and forced to choose, I’d take it over Oppenheimer.


   It must be pretty bad then!  I thought the Barbie movie looked cute and I planned to watch it at some point but it was on cable TV yesterday and my wife and son both watched it and they both told me NOT to watch it and that I wouldn't like it!  Oppenheimer has been on cable TV for about a month now and I haven't watched it and have no intention of watching it and NO ONE that I know has watched or plans to.

    It's dumbfounding how Hollywood has managed to take so many good stories and turn them into absolute rubbish in the last 20 or so years.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #184 on: December 27, 2023, 03:23:07 pm »
“Barbie” movie was absolute woke-signalling rubbish, but held at gunpoint and forced to choose, I’d take it over Oppenheimer.


   It must be pretty bad then!  I thought the Barbie movie looked cute and I planned to watch it at some point but it was on cable TV yesterday and my wife and son both watched it and they both told me NOT to watch it and that I wouldn't like it!  Oppenheimer has been on cable TV for about a month now and I haven't watched it and have no intention of watching it and NO ONE that I know has watched or plans to.

    It's dumbfounding how Hollywood has managed to take so many good stories and turn them into absolute rubbish in the last 20 or so years.
People complain about the woke movies driving audiences away, and they do, but that's only apart of Hollywood's problems. A Starsky and Hutch movie made so long after the TV series that the main movie audience (youngsters) wouldn't relate to it looked to most people like it would be the loser it turned out to be. That was an interesting early example of Hollywood so fearful of doing anything original they'd stick with a "proven" formula they showed no signs of understanding. This trend has just gotten worse and worse. Much of the race swapping and gender swapping of famous characters, rather than creating original characters for them, seems to have more to do with a fear of generating something original than anything else. The lack of demand for originality in turn seems to explain the rise of the talentless in the world of scriptwriting.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #185 on: December 27, 2023, 06:28:49 pm »
I saw the movie last night and it was terrible.
[... Trinity program details left out ...]
[... Storytelling issues...]

For those of you who were expecting a thorough covering of all the many interesting and crucial A-bomb program details, perhaps your first clue should have neem the movie title: "Oppenheimer".  This is a movie about the life of Oppenheimer.

If you didn't like the way his story was told, that's a perfectly valid criticism.

I saw the film and thoroughly enjoyed it.  I had also read the book on which it was based, and that was quite interesting as well.
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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #186 on: December 27, 2023, 11:20:44 pm »
I saw the movie last night and it was terrible.
[... Trinity program details left out ...]
[... Storytelling issues...]

For those of you who were expecting a thorough covering of all the many interesting and crucial A-bomb program details, perhaps your first clue should have neem the movie title: "Oppenheimer".  This is a movie about the life of Oppenheimer.

I cover this on my video, but the basic complaint is that that's not how the trailer made it out to be. And really, Oppenheimer would essentially be a public nobody were it not for him being the head of the A-bomb program. So it's not unreasonale to assume there would have been more stuff about the A-Bomb program. Especially considering they built the entire Los Alamos town set etc.

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If you didn't like the way his story was told, that's a perfectly valid criticism.

I found the back and forth time cuts with no reference to when or what they are talking about really annoying.

 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #187 on: December 28, 2023, 10:15:36 am »
To begin with it is pretty difficult to make the development of weapons of mass destruction into entertainment. Oppenheimer may be a US national hero, but most people prefer athletics and socker over martial arts.

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #188 on: December 28, 2023, 02:28:56 pm »
To begin with it is pretty difficult to make the development of weapons of mass destruction into entertainment.
Oh come on. Some very successful shows, like Mythbusters, get most of their viewership from working up to an explosion.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #189 on: December 28, 2023, 05:43:07 pm »
To begin with it is pretty difficult to make the development of weapons of mass destruction into entertainment.

Fat Man and Little Boy (Paul Newman and Dwight Schultz), and The Manhattan Project (Christopher Collett and John Lithgow) come to mind.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #190 on: December 28, 2023, 05:46:36 pm »
To begin with it is pretty difficult to make the development of weapons of mass destruction into entertainment.
Oh come on. Some very successful shows, like Mythbusters, get most of their viewership from working up to an explosion.

There's a difference between Mythbusters and weapons of mass destruction. I'm really not sure how you can compare the two.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #191 on: December 28, 2023, 06:09:58 pm »
You don't know many Americans, do you?  "That blowed up real good" and "Hold my beer and watch this" are nothing short of shibboleths. :-DD
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #192 on: December 28, 2023, 07:14:54 pm »
My wife and I both watched it after reading "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" (1987) a year ealier.  I had to read it twice; once for the interconnnected social/professional lives of the scientists, then to understand some of the p chem.

So, when we saw the movie we did not expect it to be exhaustive.  First, it starts in 1939.  Secondly, it leaves out the impact of HG Wells on the philosophy of many of the scientists.  It also leaves out how the Facists screwed themselves or that Churchill himself recommended Fuchs to FDR. 

Still, it hit some of the political and philosophical points which, in my experience, many Americans fail to grasp.

The book makes it clear that Truman's decision to "hide it" from Stalin and the rest of the world reverberates today.

To me the whole episode reflects lost opportunities that have a lot to do with hubris.  Including the scientists thinking they could actually run policy.  Including Fascists thinking they could advance without intellectuals.

Got me reading HG Wells though.  Very thoughtful guy.  Which led to reading some thought pieces by survivors of WWI.  1930s was a period of deep soul searching.

Just made the mistake of reading "Red Dawn".  I had watched the movie as a kid; it was entertaining back then.  My advice:  do NOT read the book.  I was depressed for a week.

So it goes.

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #193 on: December 28, 2023, 08:31:38 pm »
trump should read red dawn because that what happens when you defund nato
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #194 on: December 28, 2023, 10:07:43 pm »
He can read????
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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #195 on: December 28, 2023, 10:36:49 pm »
The nuclear accidents at Los Alamos, particularly the Demon Core accident, was painfully overlooked and a major ball drop.

The first incident with the Demon Core happened when Oppenheimer was in DC meeting with Truman (Oppenheimer left Los Alamos on August 17 and the accident happened on August 21st).

Oppenheimer permanently left the Manhattan Project in November 1945. The second Demon Core accident happened in May 1946.

So... Oppenheimer did not really have anything to do with either incident. It's hardly a major ball drop to not waste screentime on those events. 😀

Besides, Fat Man and Little Boy portrays those events and is more narrowly focused on the Manhattan Project than a biopic about Oppenheimer titled... Oppenheimer. 😉
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #196 on: December 29, 2023, 12:05:55 am »
There was so much they didn't know and they understood that. I can imagine injuries and fatalities being passed on and evaluated. The science of that would have been a good dramatic tool.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #197 on: December 29, 2023, 12:17:46 am »
To begin with it is pretty difficult to make the development of weapons of mass destruction into entertainment. Oppenheimer may be a US national hero, but most people prefer athletics and socker over martial arts.

Regards, Dieter

I am not convinced that it is difficult.  The invasion of Normandy on D-Day, the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the defense of Thermopylae and other events are more horrible on an individual level than the almost unrelatable horror of WMDs and there have been many movies of this ilk that have been wildly successful.

And it isn't just a problem with the American psyche, those movies were wildly successful worldwide.
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #198 on: December 29, 2023, 01:47:20 am »
He can read????

lol george bush has a higher reading level, he managed to read a childrens book
 

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Re: Oppenheimer Movie Review
« Reply #199 on: December 29, 2023, 02:49:59 am »
trump should read red dawn because that what happens when you defund nato

Was it not European NATO member states that defunded their own defense?

Defense expenditure as a percentage of GDP by country in 2014, during Obama's presidency:

USA - 3.42%

versus the five largest EU member states:

Germany - 1.38%
France - 1.84%
Italy - 1.22%
Spain - 0.92%
The Netherlands - 1.32%

Edit: NATO's recommended threshold was 2% of GDP. Someone had been enjoying a free ride for too long…
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