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Ot: Dishwashers
Alex Eisenhut:
--- Quote from: ConKbot on December 23, 2020, 04:41:26 pm ---Ive found that for cleaning a dishwasher, citric acid is fantastic
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My friend told me he tosses a pouch of Tang in his.
floobydust:
Dishwasher pods are convenient - but OMG the list of chemical soup is terrible! Quiz on how many are carcinogenic, and this shit ends up in our water.
Here's Finish Powerball Max as an example:
Sodium Bicarbonate - Complexing/Sequestering Agent: Binds hard water and other minerals to allow the cleaning actives to perform more effectively. CAS#:144-55-8
Sodium Carbonate - Complexing/Sequestering Agent: Binds hard water and other minerals to allow the cleaning actives to perform more effectively. CAS#:497-19-8
Sodium Percarbonate - Bleaching Agent: Makes the appearance of substances white or colorless. CAS#:15630-89-4
Polyethylene Glycol - Binder: Helps bind the product ingredients together in a tablet format. CAS#:25322-68-3
Polyacrylic Acid Sodium Bisulfite Terminated - Antiredeposition Agent: Prevents the redeposition of soils back onto a surface, especially fabric surfaces. CAS#:68479-09-4
TAED - Bleach Activator: Enhances the performance of a Bleaching Agent. CAS#:10543-57-4
Trisodium Dicarboxymethyl Alaninate - Complexing/Sequestering Agent: Binds hard water and other minerals to allow the cleaning actives to perform more effectively. CAS#:164462-16-2
Microcrystalline Cellulose - Polymer: A large molecule, or macromolecule, composed of many repeated subunits. CAS#:9004-34-6
Polyvinyl Alcohol - Dissolvable Film: Coats the outside of a product but dissolves in water to release the contents. CAS#:25213-24-5
Citric Acid - Complexing/Sequestering Agent: Binds hard water and other minerals to allow the cleaning actives to perform more effectively. CAS#:77-92-9
Sodium Sulfate - Filler: Adjusts the concentration of ingredients in a product to deliver target benefits. CAS#:7757-82-6
Alcohol polyglycolether - Surfactant: Surface-active agent helps remove dirt, stains, and bad smells. CAS#:501019-91-6
(1-Hydroxyethylidene)Bisphosphonic Acid Sodium Salts - Complexing/Sequestering Agent: Binds hard water and other minerals to allow the cleaning actives to perform more effectively. CAS#:29329-71-3
Glycerin - Solvent: Solubilizes or dissolves at least one other substance to form a solution. CAS#:56-81-5
Protease Enzyme - Enzyme: Catalzyes the removal of various soils (protease: protein stains, amylase: starch stains, lipase: grease/oil stains). CAS#:9014-01-1 (high air toxicity, asthmagen)
Fragrance/Parfum:
C.I. Pigment Red 57
Magnesium Stearate
C.I. Pigment Blue 29
Zinc Acetate
Amylase Enzyme - Enzyme: Catalzyes the removal of various soils (protease: protein stains, amylase: starch stains, lipase: grease/oil stains). CAS#:9000-90-2 (high air toxicity, asthmagen)
Tolyltriazole - Corrosion Inhibitor: Helps maintain fresh product contents from corrosion or deterioration. CAS#:29385-43-1
Benzotriazole - Preservative: Preserves products from bacterial spoilage during transit and storage. CAS#:95-14-7
C.I. Acid Blue 182
Fragrance Component
d-Limonene - (IARC Carcinogens : Group 1, 2A, or 2B)
Delta-3-Carene - (AOEC Asthmagens)
Dodecanenitrile - (toxic air contaminant)
Ethyl Alcohol - (US NTP Carcinogens: Reproductive or developmental toxicant)
Non-Functional Constituent
Sodium Sulfate - Non-Functional Constituent CAS#:7757-82-6
Magnesium Sulfate - Non-Functional Constituent: CAS#:10034-99-8
rsjsouza:
Interesting video, although my experience is different.
I have owned/used five dishwashers after moving to US (in Brasil this is considered an expensive luxury): the first two were generic GE brands that had severe issues with cheap powder dishwasher soap. I had to resort to the more expensive soap variants and brands to get the dishes clean - that after rinsing everything before loading the machine, cleaning the drain filter and running hot water from the get go.
Then we moved to our current house that had a Bosch-branded model (with a single compartment dispenser). It was really good and I was able to go back to the cheap soap alternative without too much problems (frying and baking still needed the more expensive soap). When this broke, we replaced it with a fancy KitchenAid/Whirlpool (against my will) that also did a good job and had a single dispenser - by then SWMBO had an idea of using a more natural soap that is a heap of garbage, so I kept using the fancier soap but this time in pod variety. This year we found out this crap developed a severe leak that immersed our kitchen in mold that required a LOT of money to remediate (my daughters have severe allergies) and I tossed it to go back to a Bosch again. So far the Bosch has been working quite well again, regardless of the soap variety (although the frying and baking pans still require the fancy soap treatment).
One thing I didn't see mentioned is the fact the soap has abrasives to scrub the dishes, but perhaps I missed this.
thm_w:
--- Quote from: floobydust on December 23, 2020, 08:55:05 pm ---Fragrance Component
d-Limonene - (IARC Carcinogens : Group 1, 2A, or 2B)
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d limonene is awesome, and edible:
--- Quote ---Food Grade d-Limonene is a very effective, biodegradable solvent and degreaser, occurring in nature as the main component of citrus peel oil. Due to its attractive odor, versatility and GRAS rating (Generally Recognized As Safe) from US FDA, d-limonene & orange oil can be used safely & effectively in a wide range of products for and infinite number of applications. Our CK100FG is distilled to a very high purity standards and is the perfect alternative to petroleum derived solvents when a non-harmful, natural product is preferred.
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floobydust:
Gees that's lemon or citrus rind (terpene) as a fragrance? Finish wrongly list it as being on the IARC carcinogen list.
But it looks like the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) is another WHO clown car. Aloe vera is on the list?
"There is inadequate evidence in humans for the carcinogenicity of d-limonene."
"There is sufficient evidence in experimental animals for the carcinogenicity of d-limonene."
http://www.inchem.org/documents/iarc/vol73/73-11.html
https://monographs.iarc.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/mono73-16.pdf
Kidney tumours/cancer in rats but they have different mechanism not relevant to humans apparently, we just pee it out.
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