You talked a lot about "human" right there, is that a typo ? I thought you meant "male" only, not for "female" right ?
i can see you've been bluntly mislead by the world where you living in
See for your self, you just can't provide straight answer for such simple question, but don't blame yourself too much, this kiddy type of question is even way too much for highly respected "ulama" to answer. ("ulama" = a religious expert who spent their live with the Holy book).
what is your question? my typo? the answer is NO, thats not a typo. need i retype? human (FEMALE) right. next question?!
Let alone about dressing, what if a well educated woman decided to practice her own human right by showing just her "hair", is that considered a great insult to Islam ?
its not an insult. she decided it and she will pay (in heaven, not by man)
For sure I know what you're talking about, even showing a small part of body at certain Islam strong holds will ended up .. hmm.. again, a decap. thats why i'm absolute you've been seriously mislead. decapitation is only for theft...
first, correct your typo. dont put your word in my word. my net is slow, cant expect me to correct quickly, but i'll do my best to correct typo. i double read my post. are your net slow too? mine is 2KBps, whats your mark?
Also are you "100%" (not even 99.999....%) sure that she will go to hell if she keeps doing that ?
How dare you, it is your Holly Allah's decision, not yours nor the society where she lives at, and nobody in this world should insult Allah's by "guessing" His decision for that
woman before He even made it.
Another simplified example just in case you still don't get it, you should NOT judge a person that in the court either guilty or not "BEFORE" the judge him/her-self made the final judgement/decision, dunno what to say anymore if this simple argument still doesn't make any sense to you.
are you talking about women exposing the hair? if yes then. exposing the hair for "muslim" women is a sin in islam (fyi islamic law will not apply to non-muslim women). i'm 100% sure of that because thats what written in the book. when did i insult Allah? i didnt say/judge she will go to hell. i said she will pay, how much pay i dont know. read back my post. i guess by you saying "educated women" it means "educated muslim women" isnt it? sorry if its wrong. you didnt complete your word if my interpretation is wrong.
whether or not she go to hell or heaven is up to her collective doing during her life, not just a simple matter of exposing hair. it is all will be accounted from her puberty (when she old enough to make decision) until her death. so its not a simple matter deciding if she go to hell or not. dont deviate, i didnt say she'll go to hell.
Bad... really bad, you might not get those 74 virgins if you keep doing that.
who cares? i already got a very good one here. its the outsiders who have much more eager!
See the unfairness on male vs female ? Your definition and understanding of the words "human right" in Islam is so distorted beyond words, again, its expected, Muslims are and will never get this.
it seemingly "unfair",but from another standpoint, its not (because the psychological differences between male and female, see above).... ok now i get it by your definition of "human right". is it means.... "what human like?"
earlier i said... muslim women opted to cover their bodypart (according to islam rule), but other government say you cant dress such. the women choosed to do so, they say differently, thats what i means by violating "human right" i (they) choose to do this, you say no or differently, its not "human right". so again... is "human right" = "what you like"?" or maybe again i misinterpret. is "human right" means "what western (non-muslim) rule says"?
Yeah, right, another "interesting" point of view regarding "human right", if you're sexually aroused because of seeing other people's limb, that it is their fault, not yours. Nice !
if you have a million dollar, and you walking about in town putting the money in transparent bag everybody can see. then some crook steal it? whose fault? modern people talk about causality and effect. do people blame effect? or the cause? simple example, people got disease because of a virus (virus=cause, people with disease=effect) who doctor will fight and kill, the people or the virus? you get aroused=effect, what causing it? (you should know what) again you may twist/redefine to your liking ("your/western/non-muslim human right")
and again its a
preventive measure from ill sick person. we told our girls, you dress properly as such, if not another ill men can see you and get aroused, and then they will rape you. you may pick (the girls) the risk of getting raped (or abortion because you have intentional sex with your boyfriend), or safer with proper dress? you choose. how to prevent rape? (western) law? do you see any success in rape case? yes ofcourse there is "islamic" law and government, but we also need to help law, so we must dress properly to avoid crime/social corruption. police staff is limited in number, we must help them as citizen. your usual way is to make call if there is a crime, well we got more than that. we dress properly.
another example. will you let your small kids wandering in the night alone? if villain is villain they are to be blamed and punished, not your kids or you, then why keep/restrict you kids in the house during the night? or maybe geographical and civilization differences we are poor country we dont have many policeman around, and your country have policeman in every 100 meters? so you would not worry your kids wandering about? or... there's no criminal at all in your country? 0% criminal succesfull law?
maybe you can curb crime using your law. how about social corruption? do you see it any better in your place? i'm not talking about you and your neighboor, i'm talking about teenagers in general. and again semantics, what is "social corruption"? in our term... free sex, abortion, fartherless child, suffering (persecution) to women because they need to carry "baggage" by themselves without support from men (her appointed protector)... and if you like, you may include... as dave said.. mutilated disfigured child, transvestites etc. you say ohhh thats not the cause... are you sure? prove? i'm sure none! because we dont know. oh we do! evolution! maybe i should invent "social evolution theory" then so my name will be remembered and has many "followers"
So if a woman dressed beyond the code and made a male aroused, it is the male's "right" to rape her and then punish her after he is done with her , nice eh ?
this is what happen when you take matter simply and lightly. in another word "immature talk" and "ignorance" or taking one "localized event" and blaming the whole world case. and again misled. raping is a sin. if you got it too far by touching or raping her, you will get punished. do you know there is law for that in islam? or dont know?
Truly, deep inside my heart, I feel sorry for you and your couple in this subject, must feels like hell to her.
you want to put me down? by saying sad and hypnotis me and other readers? by saying sad? sorry pal, hypnotism doesnt work with me. you accused me
judging before god made the decision, and you
judged me and my couple by me only saying the "expert" (which was meant as a joke). what if i say i have many "female nurses" friends and interviewed many of them? is that what you means? by saying "must feel like hell to her?"
"Self Restraint"
please define. as from the word alone it means.. contradiction to "self/human right".
so its not a surprise those poor womens scare like hell when they see them everytime
again you made the judgement about people that is well far beyond your reach/sight. they are not poor they are not afraid, just
disgusted (you are american/english native right?). and yes, because its seldom to see such thing and its known to be painful the first time its penetrates (rumour among them, yes married women told our virgin women. cant hold that up)... i heard different things about women in your (i guess you are from western) country. if what i heard is true, if infront of me there's western women and muslim women, i pick muslim women. (sound insulting? sorry) if you have fresh mango and rotten mango, which one do you choose? we keep our women "golden!" and "fresh" before she met "her" legitimate "protector" /husband and we taught them that, about values. and of course semantics... "our definition of "golden" is not the same as you definition of "golden".. and lastly ps:.... i know among others, there are two type of female, one is called women, one is called whores. we tried so hard so our women will not fall into "whores".
i guess you are not in position to argue with me since you prefer to pick localized event, biased view and lack of knowledge about islamic law, and most importantly i can feel you provoke flamewar/troll/hatred. you heard stories about other "stronghold" countries, but you dont know whats really going on inside, how we perceive values, how we tried hard to maintain morality and avoid social corruption. and you prefer to define it in your own term. from your post i can sense that what is in your mind is.... your culture is right, our culture is wrong. is it? slowly read back our posts and think again. if you would like to define us using your own understanding and your own values, i suggest you stop posting, because it will misleading and promoting "fitnah". in more easily understandable word is... "troll"
if you choose to continue so. and i'm not replying, then your answer is already here. dont further deviate to say that "i cannot answer your argument". thank you for a "mature" debate.