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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2021, 01:09:29 pm »
Yes, we write the date according to the degree of importance: after all, more often we need to know the current day, not the year: dd.mm.yyyy
So the same applies to address format in many countries:

The recipient is the most important
Then the street address
Then the rest

With one exception, all countries that I lived in follow that format. The exception is Russia :)

Most mistakes happen at local post office level. Every once in a while we are getting our mail delivered to neighbor’s mailbox, and time to time they get our mail. I never had an incident with my mail going to a wrong country or state, despite the fact that there are Cambridge towns in many US states, in UK and Australia.

Showing the importance of identity in a mailing address is a bit ridiculous.  :)
Once again I will repeat: it's probably just a tradition.
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2021, 02:09:36 pm »
Showing the importance of identity in a mailing address is a bit ridiculous.  :)
Once again I will repeat: it's probably just a tradition.
Mail is addressed to addressee (a person, a company, etc) - not the address. Unsolicited mail/spam cases are excepted.

Many standards have traditional roots. Different cultures have different traditions though. Russian address format correlates well with other Russian utilitarian traditions.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2021, 03:03:41 pm »
Showing the importance of identity in a mailing address is a bit ridiculous.  :)
Once again I will repeat: it's probably just a tradition.
Mail is addressed to addressee (a person, a company, etc) - not the address. Unsolicited mail/spam cases are excepted.

Many standards have traditional roots. Different cultures have different traditions though. Russian address format correlates well with other Russian utilitarian traditions.

I noticed correctly: we have more utilitarian foundations. We, for example, do not smile at a person who is at least indifferent, and we are more open in our feelings. We have a difference between a sincere and obligatory smile. But now everything is changing and the differences are being smoothed out.

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2021, 02:17:15 am »
I always use ISO format (YYYY-MM-DD) in file names, since an alphabetical sort will be chronological. It makes sense to use it in lots of situations.
No one bothers to store the date inside as it is convenient for sorting, in fact, it is stored as a linear number, but it is shown to the user in a convenient format. Windows, for example, stupidly sorts the date as a string, it's not clear to me.  :)
Huh?

My point is that ISO date format works great in file names precisely because the OS (be it Windows, Mac, Linux, etc) will sort it as a string, alphabetically, and that with that format, that happens to also be chronological.

I'm not talking about the creation, modification, etc. dates stored as metadata.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2021, 07:20:38 pm »
Mail is addressed to addressee (a person, a company, etc) - not the address.
You write address not for addressee - he/she already knows it, but for (potentially) a lot of carriers, sorting facilities, custom officers, export/import agents, and God knows whom else who will have to touch your package along it's way. None of these people (except maybe those dealing with export/import) care about the person this package addressed to, but they do care about address.
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2021, 10:50:08 pm »
Showing the importance of identity in a mailing address is a bit ridiculous.  :)
Once again I will repeat: it's probably just a tradition.
Mail is addressed to addressee (a person, a company, etc) - not the address. Unsolicited mail/spam cases are excepted.
While it's true that from the sender/recipient's point of view, you're addressing it to a person, but in actuality, you ARE addressing it to an address, with the understanding (hope?) that the intended recipient is actually there. From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration. You can easily test this: send two letters to someone. On one, write their name, but no address. On the other, write their address, but no name. Guess which one will arrive...

If we had the actual ability to address mail to a person, then all we'd need to do is uniquely identify who the recipient is, not where they are. It would be up to the mail system to figure out where the recipient is and route it to them.

The closest thing we have to that right now are email and mobile phones: the address or number doesn't change as the person moves around.

Indeed, phones are a great analogy. Traditional land-line phones are like snail mail: the number reaches a place, not a person. Sure, you hope the person you want is there, but they could have stepped out. The number continues to be tethered to that location.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2021, 11:01:56 pm »
With that, give me a reason why Canada Post does Not deliver mail if the Sender did not specify their name (the Sender's name that is).
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2021, 11:06:38 pm »
From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration.

That's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2021, 12:11:05 am »
Well, the address got translated correctly as the photo of the package shows.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen it with my own eyes. DHL claim to have delivered it - the photo is from their alleged proof of delivery. I purposely did not waive the signature requirement and have been within 15 feet of my front door all day.

Geez, what is it with DHL and me????


 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2021, 12:17:37 am »
With that, give me a reason why Canada Post does Not deliver mail if the Sender did not specify their name (the Sender's name that is).
Ask Canada Post, that's their policy, not mine.

From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration.
That's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.
And even so, they're only filtering mail to a particular addressee at that address. Regardless, the point is the fundamental operation of the system, not the edge cases.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2021, 12:23:12 am »
Last week I received notification from DHL that boards were out for delivery. I could click the link to authorize delivery without a signature. Since I was going to be home all day I authorized it as DHL always rings the doorbell when they make a delivery. Porch pirates aren't bad in my neighborhood.

At 3 pm I checked status and saw it was delivered at 12:50 pm. I had just looked at the front porch 5 minutes before and package wasn't there. When I looked at the proof of delivery photo I recognized the door mat as my neighbors. I went next door and got my package.

I called DHL to complain. I asked the person speaking broken English where their drivers went to school to learn to read numbers. He said someone would call me back within 6 hours. I never got a call. Next day I get an email asking how their delivery service was. I rated it a zero and told them they delivered the package to wrong house and if I hadn't recognized the door mat my package would have be lost forever. Not really true as neighbor is a good friend and she would have brought it over. I never received a call or another email from DHL.

No more authorization for DHL to deliver without signature. The drivers can't read house numbers. All the house numbers in the neighborhood are clearly marked with large 5 inch numbers on the very front of the houses.

As you can now see (my earlier post), the photo they provided is only of the package so there's no way to tell where it was allegedly delivered. The "signed" section of the official proof-of-delivery is blank. But a signature was required...
 
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2021, 09:19:37 am »

As you can now see (my earlier post), the photo they provided is only of the package so there's no way to tell where it was allegedly delivered. The "signed" section of the official proof-of-delivery is blank. But a signature was required...

To be fair, you live in the US of A so health concerns may discourage couriers from taking signatures more than usual.

In NZ during our enforced staycation couriers stopped taking signatures by policy, in theory they were supposed to knock then stand a couple meters away, wait for somebody to answer, confirm their identity verbally and leave the package on the ground, in practice that probably didn't happen too much.

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2021, 02:52:26 pm »

As you can now see (my earlier post), the photo they provided is only of the package so there's no way to tell where it was allegedly delivered. The "signed" section of the official proof-of-delivery is blank. But a signature was required...

To be fair, you live in the US of A so health concerns may discourage couriers from taking signatures more than usual.

They shouldn't send an email the same day stating I have to explicitly waive the signature requirement and they should state if they are not taking them due to COVID etc. Every other delivery service rings or knocks on my door. Note how the photo of the package is just the package. When Amazon leave a package, the photo clearly shows where the package is. For all I know, this package was just sitting in the courier's lap. If it were anyone but DHL, I'd be more forgiving.

As it happens, I have ordered another set of boards from JLCPCB and requested FedEx. BTW, that's the proper FedEx, not FedEx Ground. The latter is not FedEx proper and I've had expensive issues with them.
 
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2021, 08:33:32 pm »
So, after 3 days of false promises to inform me about a trace on the whereabouts of my allegedly delivered package, DHL sent me a text:

"The station has advised they are unable to recover your package. Contact your shipper to file a claim."
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2021, 12:20:40 am »
Unbelievable.
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2021, 12:40:53 am »
So, after 3 days of false promises to inform me about a trace on the whereabouts of my allegedly delivered package, DHL sent me a text:

"The station has advised they are unable to recover your package. Contact your shipper to file a claim."

Will you contact JLCPCB? I wonder what they'll say.

When I had a problem with customs clearance of parcels from LCSC, they told me that deduct a large amount for the return, and the return customs clearance (strange laws, probably in China - own the parcel when you return) and 15% of the cost of goods for the accommodation of his stock. And the refund will last about 6 months. That is, I would have received less than half of the cost paid in six months. And the problem was due to the fact that SF-Express chose a mysterious route through Finland during delivery and incorrectly carried out intermediate customs clearance there.
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2021, 12:59:54 am »
So, after 3 days of false promises to inform me about a trace on the whereabouts of my allegedly delivered package, DHL sent me a text:

"The station has advised they are unable to recover your package. Contact your shipper to file a claim."

Will you contact JLCPCB? I wonder what they'll say.

When I had a problem with customs clearance of parcels from LCSC, they told me that deduct a large amount for the return, and the return customs clearance (strange laws, probably in China - own the parcel when you return) and 15% of the cost of goods for the accommodation of his stock. And the refund will last about 6 months. That is, I would have received less than half of the cost paid in six months. And the problem was due to the fact that SF-Express chose a mysterious route through Finland during delivery and incorrectly carried out intermediate customs clearance there.

I've contacted JLCPCB and asked them to file a complaint.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2021, 01:23:31 am »
So, after 3 days of false promises to inform me about a trace on the whereabouts of my allegedly delivered package, DHL sent me a text:

"The station has advised they are unable to recover your package. Contact your shipper to file a claim."

Will you contact JLCPCB? I wonder what they'll say.

When I had a problem with customs clearance of parcels from LCSC, they told me that deduct a large amount for the return, and the return customs clearance (strange laws, probably in China - own the parcel when you return) and 15% of the cost of goods for the accommodation of his stock. And the refund will last about 6 months. That is, I would have received less than half of the cost paid in six months. And the problem was due to the fact that SF-Express chose a mysterious route through Finland during delivery and incorrectly carried out intermediate customs clearance there.

I've contacted JLCPCB and asked them to file a complaint.

Please tell us the result.  :)
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2021, 03:31:57 am »
I heard back from JLCPCB - they are going to refund me  :-+
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2021, 05:03:14 am »
Somehow, somewhere, they delivered this to a kid and he has just opened up your parcel.  "Cool!".  That kid is really enjoying your PCBs and thinks you are the best santa ever.  "Wow ENIG too!"

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2021, 06:39:46 am »
I noticed correctly: we have more utilitarian foundations. We, for example, do not smile at a person who is at least indifferent, and we are more open in our feelings. We have a difference between a sincere and obligatory smile. But now everything is changing and the differences are being smoothed out.

It's the same everywhere as this is part of human nature. Psychologists differentiate between an "enjoyment smile" where the eyes crinkle, and a "non-enjoyment smile" where they do not. Recognizing the difference is part of the social intelligence.

From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration.

That's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.

Not to mention that you can send mail to "C/O General Delivery", where the addressee has a name but no mailing address at all.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2021, 06:41:45 am by helius »
 
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2021, 11:17:00 am »
I heard back from JLCPCB - they are going to refund me  :-+

Would you like to try placing an order again?
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2021, 11:18:22 am »
Somehow, somewhere, they delivered this to a kid and he has just opened up your parcel.  "Cool!".  That kid is really enjoying your PCBs and thinks you are the best santa ever.  "Wow ENIG too!"

I liked your positivism!  :-+
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2021, 02:50:08 pm »
I knew DHL would not "find" my package so I ordered again but chose FedEx. I got notification today that the FedEx shipment is on its way.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2021, 04:17:32 pm »
I knew DHL would not "find" my package so I ordered again but chose FedEx. I got notification today that the FedEx shipment is on its way.

Did you correct the address in JLCPCB?
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