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Offline tooki

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2021, 05:25:08 pm »
I noticed correctly: we have more utilitarian foundations. We, for example, do not smile at a person who is at least indifferent, and we are more open in our feelings. We have a difference between a sincere and obligatory smile. But now everything is changing and the differences are being smoothed out.

It's the same everywhere as this is part of human nature. Psychologists differentiate between an "enjoyment smile" where the eyes crinkle, and a "non-enjoyment smile" where they do not. Recognizing the difference is part of the social intelligence.

From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration.

That's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.

Not to mention that you can send mail to "C/O General Delivery", where the addressee has a name but no mailing address at all.
Not true: it has to be addressed the correct post office, who holds it for the recipient.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2021, 05:36:17 pm »
I noticed correctly: we have more utilitarian foundations. We, for example, do not smile at a person who is at least indifferent, and we are more open in our feelings. We have a difference between a sincere and obligatory smile. But now everything is changing and the differences are being smoothed out.

It's the same everywhere as this is part of human nature. Psychologists differentiate between an "enjoyment smile" where the eyes crinkle, and a "non-enjoyment smile" where they do not. Recognizing the difference is part of the social intelligence.

From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration.

That's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.

Not to mention that you can send mail to "C/O General Delivery", where the addressee has a name but no mailing address at all.
Not true: it has to be addressed the correct post office, who holds it for the recipient.

For USPS, you use:

NAME
GENERAL DELIVERY
CITY STATE ZIP

https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-General-Delivery
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2021, 02:11:23 am »
Right. I didn't mean to imply that they would infer the correct address to send it (although I'm sure that's a service you can pay extra for). It's useful for sending mail to people in rural areas whose home has no delivery route (what we called in more innocent days "a mailman"). Or, indeed, to those with no fixed address.

Whether mail is delivered to a person or just a numbered box is one of the reasons for specific services that verify receipt, such as Registered Mail, Certified Mail, and Restricted Delivery. As this thread shows, it may seem more convenient to click a form saying "don't require my signature", but then you have given up one of the service guarantees that you paid for.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2021, 02:36:40 am »
I knew DHL would not "find" my package so I ordered again but chose FedEx. I got notification today that the FedEx shipment is on its way.

Did you correct the address in JLCPCB?

It seems they corrected it themselves. Now there is only one North Carolina (or NC). Note, that on the photo of the DHL package, the address was exactly how a US address should be.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2021, 03:03:45 pm »
I knew DHL would not "find" my package so I ordered again but chose FedEx. I got notification today that the FedEx shipment is on its way.

Did you correct the address in JLCPCB?

It seems they corrected it themselves. Now there is only one North Carolina (or NC). Note, that on the photo of the DHL package, the address was exactly how a US address should be.

Let's hope it was an unfortunate misunderstanding in the holiday rush. :)
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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2021, 03:27:41 pm »
I knew DHL would not "find" my package so I ordered again but chose FedEx. I got notification today that the FedEx shipment is on its way.

Did you correct the address in JLCPCB?

It seems they corrected it themselves. Now there is only one North Carolina (or NC). Note, that on the photo of the DHL package, the address was exactly how a US address should be.

Let's hope it was an unfortunate misunderstanding in the holiday rush. :)

I look at it as an experiment to test shipping options. I'd rather find out now with this inexpensive board than down the road when I have a more expensive product or a time constraint.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2021, 04:08:59 pm »
I look at it as an experiment to test shipping options. I'd rather find out now with this inexpensive board than down the road when I have a more expensive product or a time constraint.
Did JLCPCB compensate you for the lost package?

I myself experimented with sending packages from JLCPCB via DHL and FedEx.
DHL works out to be the fastest option for me. It usually takes 3-4 business days to Boston.
FedEx once took almost 2 weeks to arrive (the package was stuck in Japan for over a week).
Nothing was lost so far (knock on wood).
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2021, 01:23:29 am »
I noticed correctly: we have more utilitarian foundations. We, for example, do not smile at a person who is at least indifferent, and we are more open in our feelings. We have a difference between a sincere and obligatory smile. But now everything is changing and the differences are being smoothed out.

It's the same everywhere as this is part of human nature. Psychologists differentiate between an "enjoyment smile" where the eyes crinkle, and a "non-enjoyment smile" where they do not. Recognizing the difference is part of the social intelligence.

From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration.

That's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.

Not to mention that you can send mail to "C/O General Delivery", where the addressee has a name but no mailing address at all.
Not true: it has to be addressed the correct post office, who holds it for the recipient.

For USPS, you use:

NAME
GENERAL DELIVERY
CITY STATE ZIP

https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-General-Delivery
And if you’d finished reading that page, you’d have found this:

Quote
General delivery is normally available at only one facility under the administration of a Post Office with multiple facilities. A postmaster may authorize more than one facility to offer general delivery service in accordance with customer and operational needs.  A customer may use only one such location.

As far as I know, no zip codes have multiple post offices, so by virtue of addressing to the post office at CITY, ST, ZIP you are addressing it to a specific post office. (A single post office may service many zip codes, but will itself have only one.)
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2021, 01:31:08 am »
As far as I know, no zip codes have multiple post offices, so by virtue of addressing to the post office at CITY, ST, ZIP you are addressing it to a specific post office. (A single post office may service many zip codes, but will itself have only one.)

If I'm not mistaken, DHL and FedEx are not related to post offices. Maybe they don't even know the ZIP code of the post offices.  :)
And sorry for my English.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2021, 01:38:18 am »
As far as I know, no zip codes have multiple post offices, so by virtue of addressing to the post office at CITY, ST, ZIP you are addressing it to a specific post office. (A single post office may service many zip codes, but will itself have only one.)

If I'm not mistaken, DHL and FedEx are not related to post offices. Maybe they don't even know the ZIP code of the post offices.  :)
I was responding to a comment about poste restante, nothing to do with private parcel services. You couldn’t have them deliver to you at a post office, just as they cannot deliver to a PO Box.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2021, 03:49:25 am »
I noticed correctly: we have more utilitarian foundations. We, for example, do not smile at a person who is at least indifferent, and we are more open in our feelings. We have a difference between a sincere and obligatory smile. But now everything is changing and the differences are being smoothed out.

It's the same everywhere as this is part of human nature. Psychologists differentiate between an "enjoyment smile" where the eyes crinkle, and a "non-enjoyment smile" where they do not. Recognizing the difference is part of the social intelligence.

From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration.

That's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.

Not to mention that you can send mail to "C/O General Delivery", where the addressee has a name but no mailing address at all.
Not true: it has to be addressed the correct post office, who holds it for the recipient.

For USPS, you use:

NAME
GENERAL DELIVERY
CITY STATE ZIP

https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-General-Delivery
And if you’d finished reading that page, you’d have found this:

Quote
General delivery is normally available at only one facility under the administration of a Post Office with multiple facilities. A postmaster may authorize more than one facility to offer general delivery service in accordance with customer and operational needs.  A customer may use only one such location.

As far as I know, no zip codes have multiple post offices, so by virtue of addressing to the post office at CITY, ST, ZIP you are addressing it to a specific post office. (A single post office may service many zip codes, but will itself have only one.)

For USPS, you don't address the post office per se, just the city and zip.

Anyhoo, I didn't know you could even do this :)
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2021, 11:25:09 pm »
As far as I know, no zip codes have multiple post offices, so by virtue of addressing to the post office at CITY, ST, ZIP you are addressing it to a specific post office. (A single post office may service many zip codes, but will itself have only one.)
No, some towns have a single zip code, but multiple post office locations. There may only be a single "Main Post Office", but the USPS can provide service counters in multiple neighborhoods (sometimes service counters are located inside malls or grocery stores). And there are some towns that formerly had two zip codes, but now only use one, or have changed their zip code due to reassignment to a different sectional facility, etc!

The requirement is intended to simplify the logistics around general delivery, if the mail thus addressed can be sent to a single office without regard to the recipient's name.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2021, 11:26:49 pm by helius »
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2021, 12:42:44 pm »
I noticed correctly: we have more utilitarian foundations. We, for example, do not smile at a person who is at least indifferent, and we are more open in our feelings. We have a difference between a sincere and obligatory smile. But now everything is changing and the differences are being smoothed out.

It's the same everywhere as this is part of human nature. Psychologists differentiate between an "enjoyment smile" where the eyes crinkle, and a "non-enjoyment smile" where they do not. Recognizing the difference is part of the social intelligence.

From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration.

That's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.

Not to mention that you can send mail to "C/O General Delivery", where the addressee has a name but no mailing address at all.
Not true: it has to be addressed the correct post office, who holds it for the recipient.

For USPS, you use:

NAME
GENERAL DELIVERY
CITY STATE ZIP

https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-General-Delivery
And if you’d finished reading that page, you’d have found this:

Quote
General delivery is normally available at only one facility under the administration of a Post Office with multiple facilities. A postmaster may authorize more than one facility to offer general delivery service in accordance with customer and operational needs.  A customer may use only one such location.

As far as I know, no zip codes have multiple post offices, so by virtue of addressing to the post office at CITY, ST, ZIP you are addressing it to a specific post office. (A single post office may service many zip codes, but will itself have only one.)

For USPS, you don't address the post office per se, just the city and zip.

Anyhoo, I didn't know you could even do this :)
By writing “GENERAL DELIVERY”, you are implicitly addressing it to the specific post office (since no two post offices have the same zip code AFAIK) and it is a directive to the post office that means “retain at post office for the above-mentioned person”.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2021, 12:44:22 pm »
As far as I know, no zip codes have multiple post offices, so by virtue of addressing to the post office at CITY, ST, ZIP you are addressing it to a specific post office. (A single post office may service many zip codes, but will itself have only one.)
No, some towns have a single zip code, but multiple post office locations. There may only be a single "Main Post Office", but the USPS can provide service counters in multiple neighborhoods (sometimes service counters are located inside malls or grocery stores). And there are some towns that formerly had two zip codes, but now only use one, or have changed their zip code due to reassignment to a different sectional facility, etc!

The requirement is intended to simplify the logistics around general delivery, if the mail thus addressed can be sent to a single office without regard to the recipient's name.
Ah!! So that explains why USPS general delivery is expressly stated as not being available at every post office.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2021, 02:49:20 pm »
Yay!

Now, will it work? (The PCB, not the free holder :) )

It took 3 days 5 hours from FedEx pick-up to delivery.

 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2021, 03:01:35 pm »
Yay!

Now, will it work? (The PCB, not the free holder :) )

It took 3 days 5 hours from FedEx pick-up to delivery.

Congratulations!  :)
And sorry for my English.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2021, 11:26:38 pm »
All this and now we find there's a goof on the pcb.


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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2021, 01:15:48 am »
All this and now we find there's a goof on the pcb.


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Well, so far, so good. The power section works okay. I'm going to put the chips in tomorrow a section at a time. Hopefully, by the end of the week I will have compared it to the existing board it's replacing.

This is my first PCB. I used Eagle and hated it but that's what I sent to JLCPCB. I learned KiCAD in a day to do the 3D. I have to say I definitely prefer KiCAD. My god, it's free and to get 5 boards for $25 in a week is dumbfounding to me.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2021, 07:03:37 am »
Funny: KiCad draws connectors with mounting caps in a 3D model. :)

JohnnyMalaria, I wish you 100 more PCBs and that they were all without goof the first time.  :)
And sorry for my English.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2021, 02:23:43 pm »
Funny: KiCad draws connectors with mounting caps in a 3D model. :)

JohnnyMalaria, I wish you 100 more PCBs and that they were all without goof the first time.  :)

The connector models are from the manufacturer. The reason I gave up on Eagle was the nightmare of the "integration" with Fusion 360 and the painful, repetitive steps to go through to put in a new model.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2021, 06:40:31 pm »
Funny: KiCad draws connectors with mounting caps in a 3D model. :)
And why should it be any other way? The caps are physically there, and may protrude beyond the dimensions of the part itself. Having the cap in the model helps you identify interference. You’d hate it if you spun a board and then couldn’t get it pick-and-placed because the connector caps are in the way.
 

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Re: OT: What state am I in?
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2021, 08:08:33 pm »
Funny: KiCad draws connectors with mounting caps in a 3D model. :)
And why should it be any other way? The caps are physically there, and may protrude beyond the dimensions of the part itself. Having the cap in the model helps you identify interference. You’d hate it if you spun a board and then couldn’t get it pick-and-placed because the connector caps are in the way.
Agree. But it is strange to make caps in the way.
And sorry for my English.
 


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