OT: Your Political Compass

[Short Circuit]

To get out of the green, it helps to give only strongly agree/disagree answers.
First round using more mildly opinions put me on green near the centre.

[SoftwareSamurai]

I had a difficult time choosing a response for many of the questions. IMHO, many of them were crafted specifically to force me into first accepting a bogus premise, and then either agreeing or disagreeing with said premise. Sort of like this:

"When I beat my wife for no good reason, I enjoy it." ->  [] Strongly Disagree,  [] Disagree,  [] Agree,  [] Strongly Agree

Also, I would argue that the "International Chart" is wildly wrong for many of those people listed, even given their explanations for how to interpret the chart itself. (e.g. Hu Jintao is not an economic collectivist?)

[jucole]

[Simon]

haha good one on photoshop 

[Kibi]

[ToBeFrank]

[8086]

Okay.

[chickenHeadKnob]

I had a difficult time choosing a response for many of the questions. IMHO, many of them were crafted specifically to force me into first accepting a bogus premise, and then either agreeing or disagreeing with said premise. Sort of like this:

"When I beat my wife for no good reason, I enjoy it." ->  [] Strongly Disagree,  [] Disagree,  [] Agree,  [] Strongly Agree

When I was a young and honest man many years ago- in the days of "yor" I would be periodically pestered by telephone survey firms. I must have been on some favourite suckers list because they asked for my opinion on everything, shoes, politicians, breakfast cereal, ect. And the surveys were lo-ooong, 10 to 15 minutes typical. Then one day they surveyed me on commercial big brand canadian beers. The questions became progressively more nonsensical: do you see yourself drinking (brand X) surrounded by beautiful women - strong agree, agree, disagree, hell no, ect.

 About 7 minutes into it the  survey woman asks: Do you believe (brand Y) is obsolete? I was nonplussed, my logical programmer brain could not parse any semantic result. I paused thinking how does beer, any beer become obsolete? skunky yes, but obsolete? Survey woman told me I had to answer and she couldn't coach me. So I said "disagree ... I guess". Then she went on to the next brand "do you believe (brand z) is obsolete". At that point  I realized I should answer with increasingly non-responsive replies - "yes  but not in the lotus position", or "my bum is itchy", or "the melons of Castille are fit only for self-abuse!". That last one is from Ernest Hemingway's 'The Sun also Rises". Well survey woman tried to grimly soldier on for a few more questions then she capitulated. Those survey people never bothered me again.

[mianchen]

Here's mine. I thought I was in the green quadrant...

[Rick]

What is missing in those questions is the attitude of the people towards immigrants, foreigners etc. Actually this is a very important criterium. Very often left wing, socialist people have more tolerant views on those groups, unless they are from the other side of the political spectrum of course, that is if they are [national] socialists:)

[Simon]

congratulations, you have correctly identified the survey as biased 

[hans]

In the Netherlands we have elections next week. We have parties I on some parts strongly agree with, but are religious and deny homosexuals and abortion, etc.. Some others I agree with, but I know won't play part in the forming of a new government (small parties). Bigger parties that I morally agree with but want to keep spending like crazy (that's saying we will become Greece and Spain). And ones that are on the far right and want to cut costs everywhere, make the rich richer, and reform certain laws so most likely people I know around me (under the same roof) will lose their job. 

I don't think his compass is helping me. Like Rick said I didn't read a lot about people that come here for foreign work, economical reasons or political reasons. Or money for foreign development. But I guess these  are sometimes local 'issues'.

[Psi]

Mine

[vk3yedotcom]

What is missing in those questions is the attitude of the people towards immigrants, foreigners etc. Actually this is a very important criterium. Very often left wing, socialist people have more tolerant views on those groups, unless they are from the other side of the political spectrum of course, that is if they are [national] socialists:)

Depends. 

The 'social lefty' types (typically urban, university educated and middle class) are certainly tolerant.  Whereas the 'economic lefty' blue collar protectionist working class types see immigrants as cheap labour that steals 'their' jobs.

There's a similar division on the Right.  The free market internationalist capitalist right want immigration as it increases the population (customers) and the workforce (especially if they'll work for less).  Whereas the more traditional nationalist (often small-town/small business) right are more concerned about protecting existing culture and distrust diversity.

To quote Karl Marx a lot depends on your relationship to your means of production. 

If you're well off you don't mind cultural and ethnic diversity.  And might see it as colour, novelty, new ideas, gourmet food and affordable house cleaners.  You're also rich enough to live in nice suburbs with nice rich people like you (away from the working class).

Whereas if you're unemployed or insecure it's seen as as threat and competition.  I'm guessing that the typical racist xenophobe is probably a discontented unemployed (or precariously employed) working class male.  Add points if the wife left, took the house and gets child support.

[beatle]

Here is me:

[Simon]

In the Netherlands we have elections next week. We have parties I on some parts strongly agree with, but are religious and deny homosexuals and abortion, etc.. Some others I agree with, but I know won't play part in the forming of a new government (small parties). Bigger parties that I morally agree with but want to keep spending like crazy (that's saying we will become Greece and Spain). And ones that are on the far right and want to cut costs everywhere, make the rich richer, and reform certain laws so most likely people I know around me (under the same roof) will lose their job. 

I don't think his compass is helping me. Like Rick said I didn't read a lot about people that come here for foreign work, economical reasons or political reasons. Or money for foreign development. But I guess these  are sometimes local 'issues'.

Same problem here, if you vote with your conscience it will be for a small party that won't win. The liberal democrats tried to introduce a new system but they let the conservatives walk all over it and tell lies about how bad it would be so people opted for the old system, so that we can have a coalition AGAIN and the conservatives will have another chance at screwing up the country.

[Mechatrommer]

we also have illegal immigrants that make trouble here, but we dont blame their religion, which is same as ours. because we know, its not about religion, but about culture and lifestyle difference, and probably.... pressure in life.

[Rick]

What is missing in those questions is the attitude of the people towards immigrants, foreigners etc. Actually this is a very important criterium. Very often left wing, socialist people have more tolerant views on those groups, unless they are from the other side of the political spectrum of course, that is if they are [national] socialists:)

Depends. 

The 'social lefty' types (typically urban, university educated and middle class) are certainly tolerant.  Whereas the 'economic lefty' blue collar protectionist working class types see immigrants as cheap labour that steals 'their' jobs.

There's a similar division on the Right.  The free market internationalist capitalist right want immigration as it increases the population (customers) and the workforce (especially if they'll work for less).  Whereas the more traditional nationalist (often small-town/small business) right are more concerned about protecting existing culture and distrust diversity.

To quote Karl Marx a lot depends on your relationship to your means of production. 

If you're well off you don't mind cultural and ethnic diversity.  And might see it as colour, novelty, new ideas, gourmet food and affordable house cleaners.  You're also rich enough to live in nice suburbs with nice rich people like you (away from the working class).

Whereas if you're unemployed or insecure it's seen as as threat and competition.  I'm guessing that the typical racist xenophobe is probably a discontented unemployed (or precariously employed) working class male.  Add points if the wife left, took the house and gets child support.

True. I was referring to the intellectual type leftists actually.
Also those blue collar workers who may vote for the left, they are also very fast to change their mind for the reasons you mentioned.
The case I know best is France where formerly left voting communist electors suddenly became National Front (right wing extremist party) supporters after Mitterand came to power.

[Rick]

we also have illegal immigrants that make trouble here, but we dont blame their religion, which is same as ours. because we know, its not about religion, but about culture and lifestyle difference, and probably.... pressure in life.

But you also have a native local Chinese minority I believe.
Then how do you explain the pogroms organized in the past against the Chinese minority?
Just asking by curiosity.

[Simon]

we also have illegal immigrants that make trouble here, but we dont blame their religion, which is same as ours. because we know, its not about religion, but about culture and lifestyle difference, and probably.... pressure in life.

When you have a large immigrant population who follow a racist and violent inspiring religion with no respect for the host nation you have a problem. I hate all religion, but one in particular has the imbedded aim of anilating everything else so that it can rule and be the only one.

I pay my taxes and anyone who comes here is entitled to MY money to support them. They could have the decency of not wanting my death !!!

[perfect_disturbance]

I'm not sure whether I should be more disturbed that your all more liberal than Hugo Chavez or I'm more liberal than President Obama!

Edited to attach chart.

[ampdoctor]

Hmmm....I seem to be the only person here that's in the purple quadrant.  I will admit though that I expected myself to fall farther to the bottom right but some of the questions were a bit ambiguous and were difficult to either agree or disagree with. As such the graph may not really be a completely accurate reflection of anybody's views.

[jamesp15]

I fully expected to be in the upper right (blue area)...

So I am a bit surprised.  All the religious stuff I disagreed with, but the rest I  was all over the place like in real life.
Being American I agree with a lot of BOTH parties but there is also a LOT I dont agree with.  I am truly right smack in the middle of the 2 major parties views, like I think most are.  (Its a shame the loudmouthed minorities on both sides get all the "coverage", I am sure its the same the world over though.)

[cloudscapes]

'round here somewhere



democratic socialist type

[Ed.Kloonk]

I am somewhere in the greeny red bluey purple area.