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Jeroen3:
Yes, I doubt the cargo is the cause, even as many news outlets report the EV as cause. I don't believe that. They would have to spontaneously combust.
Since I have not seen reports of this on other places, like car transportation parking fires I highly doubt the cargo is the cause.

JPortici:

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--- Quote from: aeberbach on July 27, 2023, 11:11:54 pm ---YouTube thumbnail-face is strong with this one.

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Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about.

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if you don't make soy faces on thumbnails the algorythm will crush you

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Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about, "thumbnail-face" or "soy faces".   I have to assume you are making some sort of joke.  I'm not laughing.

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if you click that link you'll see what we mean about "soy faces". You will certainly see the resemblance on the expression of the youtuber in the thumbnail. It came out in the past few months that videos that didn't show people with these expressions on their faces in the thumbnails would be heavily penalized by the youtube algorythms. Not a joke, very annoying

tom66:
Electric vehicles have caught fire whilst charging and driving.  One of the most famous ones is the Tesla that burned down at the supercharger, that was ultimately put down to Tesla techs not correctly bolting the pack charge connectors after changing the charge port.  Like any high energy storage medium there is a risk of things going wrong.

However, when in transit like this, the vehicle pack is isolated by pulling the fireman's loop, it is kept at low state of charge (10% is typical) and it will obviously not be charging or driving.  So the risk of combustion is really minimal, it would have to be a spontaneous cell failure or water leaking into the pack from a manufacturing defect. 

It is amazing how politicised EVs have become, if you read the news it'd seem like this is the next environmental catastrophe, a boat with some cars on fire, yet in relative terms the Deepwater Horizon spill is still being cleaned up and cost BP some $65 billion dollars in compensation. Some areas will never again be viable for fishing because the fish are not considered safe for at least 100 years.

edit: spelling

Berni:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 10:35:44 am ---
Which means what??? 

I'll give you a hint.  What would be the circuit that would electrocute you?  Where exactly is the current flowing?



--- Quote ---So they agree that special care is required to avoid electrocution, otherwise they would use the same protocol as for internal combustion cars. If you want detailed reasons for why they do that go ask a fireman, all i know is that they do it.
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No, ICE require a special "protocol" because gas fires are hard to put out.  I don't know where you are, but in the US, we have labels on fire extinguishers that have letters to indicate the type of fires they are good for.   Type B extinguishers are for gasoline and other flammable liquid fires.  Type C extinguishers, generally are used on electrical fires.  What do your sources say is appropriate for EVs?

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Here you go:
https://www.nfpa.org/Training-and-Events/By-topic/Alternative-Fuel-Vehicle-Safety-Training/Emergency-Response-Guides

Read up on the specific car you are interested in putting the fire out on.

For example here are the instructions for putting out a battery on fire in a Tesla Model S. It calls for dousing the battery with a huge amount of water (3000 to 8000 galons). It specifically calls for always using insulated tools and other chapters talk about the areas that you are not allowed to touch, cut, puncture etc.. due to involving high voltage.

I know it is very unlikely you would actually get electrocuted by it, but i didn't write these documents, go complain to Tesla and other EV manufacturers to revise the document to be to your liking.

This is many times more water than is typically used to put out a typical car fire. Besides even in an internal combustion car the fuel is only one of the flammable things. There is even more chemical energy stored in all the other parts of a car. Both EV and ICE cars also have oil, brake fluid, plastic body panels, plastic interior panels, rubber seals, rubber tires, fabric on seats, foam inside seats...etc all of it burns really well once it starts going.

gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Berni on July 28, 2023, 11:33:37 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 10:35:44 am ---
Which means what??? 

I'll give you a hint.  What would be the circuit that would electrocute you?  Where exactly is the current flowing?



--- Quote ---So they agree that special care is required to avoid electrocution, otherwise they would use the same protocol as for internal combustion cars. If you want detailed reasons for why they do that go ask a fireman, all i know is that they do it.
--- End quote ---

No, ICE require a special "protocol" because gas fires are hard to put out.  I don't know where you are, but in the US, we have labels on fire extinguishers that have letters to indicate the type of fires they are good for.   Type B extinguishers are for gasoline and other flammable liquid fires.  Type C extinguishers, generally are used on electrical fires.  What do your sources say is appropriate for EVs?

--- End quote ---

Here you go:
https://www.nfpa.org/Training-and-Events/By-topic/Alternative-Fuel-Vehicle-Safety-Training/Emergency-Response-Guides

Read up on the specific car you are interested in putting the fire out on.

For example here are the instructions for putting out a battery on fire in a Tesla Model S. It calls for dousing the battery with a huge amount of water (3000 to 8000 galons). It specifically calls for always using insulated tools and other chapters talk about the areas that you are not allowed to touch, cut, puncture etc.. due to involving high voltage.

I know it is very unlikely you would actually get electrocuted by it, but i didn't write these documents, go complain to Tesla and other EV manufacturers to revise the document to be to your liking.

This is many times more water than is typically used to put out a typical car fire. Besides even in an internal combustion car the fuel is only one of the flammable things. There is even more chemical energy stored in all the other parts of a car. Both EV and ICE cars also have oil, brake fluid, plastic body panels, plastic interior panels, rubber seals, rubber tires, fabric on seats, foam inside seats...etc all of it burns really well once it starts going.

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I'm not sure of the point of your post.  You continue to make false statements like comparing the water used to fight an EV fire to the water used to fight an ICE fire, when water is not recommended for an ICE fire when gasoline is involved. 

Where are the equivalent guides for ICE vehicles.  I can't seem to find them.

So, what are you trying to say?

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