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Monkeh:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 02:52:53 pm ---The percentage of highway that is in tunnels, is probably (well) under 0.1% of the total.

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The percentage of tunnels in the TEN-T road network, which covers critical infrastructure, is 1.2%.

https://www.cedr.eu/download/Publications/2020/CEDR-Technical-Report-2020-01-TEN-T-2019-Performance-Report.pdf < Page 69. Because I come with fact, citations, and no bias.

Dismissal based on this not counting every street and alley in the world in 3.. 2.. 1..
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: tom66 on July 28, 2023, 01:07:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: tszaboo on July 28, 2023, 12:47:59 pm ---We are not doomed, but everyone buying cars now of these "Gen 1" electric cars is going to have a bad time in the future when solid state batteries come out. I really think at some point regular lithium is going to get banned, then you cannot drive into parking garages or city centers with their flashy tesla.

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I think that's an insane overreaction, relatively speaking the risk of ICE fire or the risk of EV fire are both quite low, likely the EV represents a lower risk.  If you want to ban any car from a parking garage, ban the 15 year old car with an oil leak and 15A fuses in place of 5A ones that keep blowing for some reason...

Just a few years ago in the UK a fire in a Range Rover that was reportedly 15 years old destroyed 1150 cars and likely wrote off the entire building...
https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2018/12/Merseyside-FRS-Car-Park-Report.pdf

From the report:


--- Quote ---Running fuel fires were witnessed by BA crews and this undoubtedly led to fire spread
through the drainage system, down ramps and along the rib slab floor. This was also
highlighted in the BRE experiments conducted between 2006 and 2009:

* “Running fuel fires due to failure of plastic fuel tanks in early stages of vehicle
fires can be expected. It is estimated 85% of European vehicles are thought to
have plastic fuel tanks.” (BRE Fire Spread in Car Parks BD2552 p.12).[..]
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That's not the point. When was the last time when you saw political decision based on any sort of data?
My point is that they are going to get banned because there is a safer alternative, and every single electrical car fire is going to make it to the news, because it is the new thing.
There was probably more Italian supercars on fire than electric cars, but you kinda expect them to combust, and doesn't make it into the news.
tom66:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on July 28, 2023, 05:15:00 pm ---That's not the point. When was the last time when you saw political decision based on any sort of data?
My point is that they are going to get banned because there is a safer alternative, and every single electrical car fire is going to make it to the news, because it is the new thing.
There was probably more Italian supercars on fire than electric cars, but you kinda expect them to combust, and doesn't make it into the news.

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Well, it won't be political, will it?  At the end of the day, it will come down to insurance companies.  Are they comfortable with insuring ships and car park structures with electric vehicles within?

So far, the evidence seems to be: mostly yes, there's one ship company in Norway that I'm aware of has banned EVs, but I'm not aware of anywhere else banning EVs.  Commercial decisions will influence this too:  if you aren't selling to EV users, as they become more dominant, they are going to go elsewhere for their business.

If there were Tesla's catching fire every 10 minutes then it might make sense to act in the way you describe, but the fact that they are notable news items suggests that they aren't that common and while insuring a Tesla at home is a little more expensive than other cars (due in part to Tesla's incompetence in supplying spare parts leading to long hire car periods), they're not drastically more expensive to cover for all the standard liabilities.
aeberbach:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 02:46:00 pm ---
Sounds like something that's a problem for old people.

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Not wasting time on clowns is a skill old people learn, that's true.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 28, 2023, 03:30:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 02:52:53 pm ---The percentage of highway that is in tunnels, is probably (well) under 0.1% of the total.

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The percentage of tunnels in the TEN-T road network, which covers critical infrastructure, is 1.2%.

https://www.cedr.eu/download/Publications/2020/CEDR-Technical-Report-2020-01-TEN-T-2019-Performance-Report.pdf < Page 69. Because I come with fact, citations, and no bias.

Dismissal based on this not counting every street and alley in the world in 3.. 2.. 1..

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I suppose you can find any statistic you want.

"tunnels make up less than 0.3% of the network in Estonia, Ireland, Lithuania, Poland, Sweden and the UK."

What is your point?
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