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Out-of-control EV blaze (thermal runaway) threatens to sink massive RORO ship.
Monkeh:
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--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 02:52:53 pm ---The percentage of highway that is in tunnels, is probably (well) under 0.1% of the total.
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The percentage of tunnels in the TEN-T road network, which covers critical infrastructure, is 1.2%.
https://www.cedr.eu/download/Publications/2020/CEDR-Technical-Report-2020-01-TEN-T-2019-Performance-Report.pdf < Page 69. Because I come with fact, citations, and no bias.
Dismissal based on this not counting every street and alley in the world in 3.. 2.. 1..
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I suppose you can find any statistic you want.
"tunnels make up less than 0.3% of the network in Estonia, Ireland, Lithuania, Poland, Sweden and the UK."
What is your point?
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My point is that your assumption that tunnels are an irrelevancy is nonsense and a subject you know next to nothing about. Just like extinguishing vehicle fires of any type, and monitoring the remains afterwards. You might notice that certain countries, for example the Netherlands, which is where this particular topic originated in this thread, and say, Switzerland, have rather a lot of tunnels in their critical road infrastructure, as far as the data available at the publication of that report goes.
Your only purpose here is to attack anything which paints EVs in even the faintest negative light.
gnuarm:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 28, 2023, 10:36:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 10:27:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 28, 2023, 03:30:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 02:52:53 pm ---The percentage of highway that is in tunnels, is probably (well) under 0.1% of the total.
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The percentage of tunnels in the TEN-T road network, which covers critical infrastructure, is 1.2%.
https://www.cedr.eu/download/Publications/2020/CEDR-Technical-Report-2020-01-TEN-T-2019-Performance-Report.pdf < Page 69. Because I come with fact, citations, and no bias.
Dismissal based on this not counting every street and alley in the world in 3.. 2.. 1..
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I suppose you can find any statistic you want.
"tunnels make up less than 0.3% of the network in Estonia, Ireland, Lithuania, Poland, Sweden and the UK."
What is your point?
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My point is that your assumption that tunnels are an irrelevancy is nonsense and a subject you know next to nothing about. Just like extinguishing vehicle fires of any type, and monitoring the remains afterwards.
Your only purpose here is to attack anything which paints EVs in even the faintest negative light.
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No, my purpose is to view EV issues with an appropriate light. Tunnels are an irrelevancy for EVs, or there would be a mobile water tank at every tunnel. There is a very small number of places where such water tanks are in place. Even Tesla says NOT to immerse the vehicle in a tank of water. Appropriate response is to spray the EV with water. Not dunk, spray.
I don't need to be unrealistic about this issue. Others are doing plenty of that themselves.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 10:41:36 pm ---No, my purpose is to view EV issues with an appropriate light. Tunnels are an irrelevancy for EVs, or there would be a mobile water tank at every tunnel. There is a very small number of places where such water tanks are in place. Even Tesla says NOT to immerse the vehicle in a tank of water. Appropriate response is to spray the EV with water. Not dunk, spray.
I don't need to be unrealistic about this issue. Others are doing plenty of that themselves.
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Ah, so your limited knowledge on the subject of fire containment trumps that of the organisations who do it for a living? Tesla build cars. They don't put out their own fires for a living - literally or figuratively. And they only get to give advice about their own products.
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 02:52:53 pm ---I don't know what to make of this conversation. As is common in EEVblog, people who actually know very little about the realities of a given thing, are very willing to offer their opinions, usually as if it were fact.
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At least you're proving your own statement to be accurate.
gnuarm:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 28, 2023, 10:46:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 10:41:36 pm ---No, my purpose is to view EV issues with an appropriate light. Tunnels are an irrelevancy for EVs, or there would be a mobile water tank at every tunnel. There is a very small number of places where such water tanks are in place. Even Tesla says NOT to immerse the vehicle in a tank of water. Appropriate response is to spray the EV with water. Not dunk, spray.
I don't need to be unrealistic about this issue. Others are doing plenty of that themselves.
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Ah, so your limited knowledge on the subject of fire containment trumps that of the organisations who do it for a living? Tesla build cars. They don't put out their own fires for a living - literally or figuratively. And they only get to give advice about their own products.
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Which they did. They said do not submerse the vehicle. What part of that is not clear?
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 11:16:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 28, 2023, 10:46:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 28, 2023, 10:41:36 pm ---No, my purpose is to view EV issues with an appropriate light. Tunnels are an irrelevancy for EVs, or there would be a mobile water tank at every tunnel. There is a very small number of places where such water tanks are in place. Even Tesla says NOT to immerse the vehicle in a tank of water. Appropriate response is to spray the EV with water. Not dunk, spray.
I don't need to be unrealistic about this issue. Others are doing plenty of that themselves.
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Ah, so your limited knowledge on the subject of fire containment trumps that of the organisations who do it for a living? Tesla build cars. They don't put out their own fires for a living - literally or figuratively. And they only get to give advice about their own products.
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Which they did. They said do not submerse the vehicle. What part of that is not clear?
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In your world, are Tesla the only EV manufacturer?
Submersion is a method being trialed to more effectively handle EV fires. Whether Tesla or you believe in it is immaterial and rejecting the notion out of hand is presenting your opinion as fact.
Just a few posts ago, you had no idea how much water (or other extinguishing agent) and time was involved in putting out a car fire - ICE or EV. Now you're an authority on appropriate methods and the needs of the agencies dealing with these fires to reopen roads. :palm:
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