Oxymoron fo the day

[watchmaker]

Play your vinyl records for true analog sound on a bluetooth turntable (where do the Monster cables go?)

Do you think they get the joke?

[Coordonnée_chromatique]

The vinyl records sound artifacts have the same rendering via a bluetooth dongle or a cable.

[Bud]

I picked up a box of vinyls at the curb the other day which turned out to be digital sources put on vinyls  for DJ use 

[schmitt trigger]

“True analog vinyl sound”
You mean, the scratching, cracks, pops and rumble?

[pardo-bsso]

“True analog vinyl sound”
You mean, the scratching, cracks, pops and rumble?

RUMBLE!

[NiHaoMike]

Play your vinyl records for true analog sound on a bluetooth turntable (where do the Monster cables go?)

If the Bluetooth is an optional feature, I don't see any problem with that.

[TimFox]

Many modern turntables have built-in preamplifiers that drive ADCs to either a USB or Bluetooth digital output.
Where's the sport in that?

[SiliconWizard]

Yeah, that may look like an odd mix of technologies, but anything more-or-less transparent in the signal chain (at least more than so for any practical purpose here) going after the "analog" part of the turntable won't change its characteristics (unless the BT thing is complete crap).

Actually, that looks weird to someone who would consider the vintage sound with some magical approach to it. For anyone just willing to listen to vinyl records for whatever reason, this is perfectly reasonable.

[TimFox]

Commercial stereo amplifiers with RIAA-equalized preamplifiers seem to be dying out, so putting the preamp in the turntable (if it be a good one) is reasonable.

[thm_w]

I picked up a box of vinyls at the curb the other day which turned out to be digital sources put on vinyls  for DJ use 

Thats how all modern vinyl is made.
But if they are DJ use they were probably scratched to hell anyway.

[Coordonnée_chromatique]

Wow and flutter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow_and_flutter_measurement

[Coordonnée_chromatique]

For those who understand the "magic" sounds of the ancient analog times as "scratch" "cracks" "pops" "rumble"... (a kind of violence or self excitation )
You can look at the post #7 :
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/can-diyers-make-speaker-with-magical-sound.84034/

[watchmaker]

 

[Gyro]

For all the drawbacks, I still have warm memories of my first real turntable. Optimizing the tracking angle, force, bias etc to get the best possible tracking on the HFNRR test record. The surface cleaning ritual. The effort seemed to make the resulting sound more worthwhile than just pushing a button or tapping a screen. Oh, and that huge area for pictures and graphics on the sleeve. Rose tinted glasses of course.

[Coordonnée_chromatique]

Optimizing the tracking angle, force, bias etc to get the best possible tracking on the HFNRR test record.

Ultimate dome tweeter optimization :

[coppice]

For all the drawbacks, I still have warm memories of my first real turntable. Optimizing the tracking angle, force, bias etc to get the best possible tracking on the HFNRR test record. The surface cleaning ritual. The effort seemed to make the resulting sound more worthwhile than just pushing a button or tapping a screen. Oh, and that huge area for pictures and graphics on the sleeve. Rose tinted glasses of course.

I read today that the size of the vinyl record market is about to exceed the CD market, so you are apparently on the right side of history.

[SiliconWizard]

For all the drawbacks, I still have warm memories of my first real turntable. Optimizing the tracking angle, force, bias etc to get the best possible tracking on the HFNRR test record. The surface cleaning ritual. The effort seemed to make the resulting sound more worthwhile than just pushing a button or tapping a screen. Oh, and that huge area for pictures and graphics on the sleeve. Rose tinted glasses of course.

I read today that the size of the vinyl record market is about to exceed the CD market, so you are apparently on the right side of history.

Given that the physical media have been severely declining, I wouldn't be surprised that the vinyl market would now get an edge.

[Xena E]

Thread derailed in one post!
 

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[watchmaker]

OK.  My judgmental POV.

I was among those "audiophiles" thrilled when we got rid of pops, skips, discwashers, plastic album liners, tone arm lifts and having to flip the record every 20 minutes (Thorens TT, Shure V 15 cartridge, etc).  Used to evaluate recordings by the tape hiss.  Bought only records with heavy vinyl from good press houses.

Not to mention storage and cataloging (once tried to find Brain Salad Surgery by looking in the "M"" section of the record store; you can figure out state of mind).

All gone.  Now we mainly listen to WCRB which broadcasts live BSO events over the air.  Yep, old school radio.  BTW, the history of WCRB is pretty interesting:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCRB

I can get that some may enjoy the "experience" of using vinyl.  But, I suspect the "Monster Cable" effect is at play.  Do those buying such things understand very few (none?) make recordings via analog; let alone the digital processing?  Transcription to the master presses?

I do understand the benefits and joy of high end systems that are downstream from the source (tube or solid state) with excellent speakers.  But even with a good TT/cartridge the drawbacks, which includes accessing "pristine" vinyl, to me digital media is the winner.

As a long time purveyor of vintage things, I have observed that fads pop up over "what my father had", whether watches, cameras, cars, clothes, furniture (Mid century modern???) whatever.  I kept about 15 Nikon FMs which my daughter has and use.  She tells me these are highly sought after and even the Sony Mavica I once had is worth quite a bit.

So BT turntables that fit this bill do not surprise me.

[themadhippy]

If it was recorded pre 1980'ish I'll have the vinyl version thanks,you dont need golden ears  to hear the difference between the raw  undoctored sound compared to the the chuck it through a compressor then another compressor and finish it with a mastering compressor  on the new must have remastered digital version.A good example is the opening kick drum on the pink fairys walk dont run,on vinyl  its almost an artillery attack,on cd its  like being tickled by a limp lettuce.

[Coordonnée_chromatique]

I do understand the benefits and joy of high end systems that are downstream from the source (tube or solid state) with excellent speakers.

Tube amps do make a difference in sound, they detune a passive x-over. It may sound "better" to some, but it's not what the speakers were designed to do, so, to me, it's not right.

[m k]

Many modern turntables have built-in preamplifiers that drive ADCs to either a USB or Bluetooth digital output.
Where's the sport in that?

Pitch correction?

[Analog Kid]

Wow, just wow: 21 replies, almost all of which either missed the point of the OP entirely ("oxymoron", remember?) or just went off on some unrelated tangent.

Oh, well; nothing like an audiophool-adjacent thread to liven things up.

So as long as we're going there: I loves me my vinyl. Thorens turntable, Signet cartridge (which I could not afford to replace these days), nothing special downstream. (No tubes here, unfortunately.) Great sound. Never no wow, flutter or rumble.

Many of my "vinyl records" (there's that oxymoron!) are absolutely pristine, no clicks, pops, noise. But for the occasional click or pop, I think of it as the "audio campfire", reminding us that we do live in an analog world after all.

[coppice]

So as long as we're going there: I loves me my vinyl. Thorens turntable, Signet cartridge (which I could not afford to replace these days), nothing special downstream. (No tubes here, unfortunately.) Great sound. Never no wow, flutter or rumble.

You don't need a turntable to provide rumble. Most LPs have plenty recorded on them.