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PERFECT music! Perfect melodic engineering!
John B:
If you're interested in non-functional, experimental harmony, a more interesting and relevant discussion for an electronics would be the continued reliance on 12 tone equal temperament. In many ways 12TET/12EDO (equal divisions of an octave) has had a limiting effect on the development of harmony, then later MIDI by default adopted 12TET and that has in many ways limited the development of harmony in the electronic music era.
It's easy to implement other pitch systems that aren't based around 2^(1/12) in a software environment, and yet every music creation software I can think of is at least based around 12TET 0-127 MIDI notes. While you can do clunky pitch bend workarounds, the workflow becomes totally unintuitive, meaning that you have to spend a lot of time developing an interface to simply implement a new harmonic approach, before you can get to the music creation.
Something like Open Sound Control has opened some new pathways. For example note information can be sent as a floating point number that corresponds to a frequency, rather than a pitch from a defined temperament, or even a stream of information shaping an envelope rather than a piano centric concept of note triggering.
I came across this channel on youtube one day a few years back, and it has a wealth of really interesting approaches to harmony based on other equal temperaments and harmonic series. The compositions are made in Pure Data which is related to MaxMSP. A lot of the stuff is quite experimental, sometimes hit and miss with what the compositions try to achieve, but sometimes the results are sublime. It's the most unique harmonic content I've come across in some time.
https://www.youtube.com/user/acreil/videos
TimFox:
Going back to Gesualdo, apparently he wrote for a short-lived instrument called the "archicembalo" (based on the harpsichord) that had 31 or 36 keys spread along each octave, using two manuals. Only one survives, in a museum in Bologna. The "extended quarter-comma meantone temperament" almost exactly approximates 31 equal tempered intervals. It must have been a pain to tune and maintain, since harpsichords (with wooden frames) go out of tune quickly.
With respect to equal temperament (normal for modern pianos and adopted for electronic keyboards): On an audio forum, we were discussing why 3rd order distortion sounds worse than 2nd order distortion, and one writer contended that the third harmonic (1320 Hz) of 440 Hz (A above middle C) did not exist in a table of equal-tempered notes, and that was why it sounded bad. In "just intonation" (where all consonant intervals are ratios of integers), that note would be one fifth plus one octave above 440 Hz.
GlennSprigg:
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How Fab. Drop me a PM and I'll send you my address so you can post me a membership badge, I'd love to join your club, but feel somewhat that I'm not as qualified as you need me to be.
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The club has seen what "perfect" means to you and isn't impressed.
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This bloke here, long, long ago abandoned any hangups or cares as to what "impresses" people, most of all total strangers online ;D I have better things with which to occupy myself.
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Dear 'eti'. I noticed that you have been 'scram'ed too...
It amazes me how some people have nothing else to do in their life but put down some people & belittle them.
A reply (if at all from him!) could be... "The music is not my cup of tea, but I can understand that it has a certain 'feel' to some."
However, some enjoy their lonely 'Ivory Towers' and a 'keyboard', to placate themselves by mentally 'Squashing Ants'.
I am a non-professional musician, and play Guitar, Mandolin, Piano, Harmonica & various Flutes. Certain music/notes/chords DO seem
to instill various emotions/feelings in individuals, beyond what is often apparently explainable. Yes, often it is the '7ths', Minors, and even
the occasional deliberate 'dis-chord' that emphasizes those emotions. But it is also 'subjective', like a fine wine etc. It also generally does
not need/require 'Words'... MANY times, I've sat with other performers who don't even speak English, and somehow we just seem to
make music! There's an understanding between us all, and it just happens!! It can't be put into words mate...
May I please be allowed to 'share' one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written, to 'my' ears at least! :)
EXPERTS have dissected it, and agree that there are certain notes that set the whole piece & give it the power that it has...
It is written by GIACOMO PUCCINI, for the 'Madame Butterfly' Opera. Simply called/referred to as the 'Humming Chorus'.
May people please hear it right through!, so they may 'understand' why/when mere 'notes' moves your soul!! Glenn.
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: eti on August 15, 2020, 10:12:14 pm ---This bloke here, long, long ago abandoned any hangups or cares as to what "impresses" people, most of all total strangers online ;D I have better things with which to occupy myself.
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Oh if only that were true. You seem to have spent all the short time that you have been on the eevblog forum trying desperately to impress people with your 'personality'. Why else would you start an off-topic thread on a particular piece of music on an electronics forum? Music is all about personal taste, one man's meat is another man's poison, and so any reasonably intelligent person would know that what is 'good' music would be contentious. Conclusion, you're stirring it, as you always do, in a desperate bid to grab attention, any attention even if it's people lambasting you. And you claim that you've better things with which to occupy yourself? Ha!
GlennSprigg:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 16, 2020, 02:12:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on August 15, 2020, 10:12:14 pm ---This bloke here, long, long ago abandoned any hangups or cares as to what "impresses" people, most of all total strangers online ;D I have better things with which to occupy myself.
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Oh if only that were true. You seem to have spent all the short time that you have been on the eevblog forum trying desperately to impress people with your 'personality'. Why else would you start an off-topic thread on a particular piece of music on an electronics forum? Music is all about personal taste, one man's meat is another man's poison, and so any reasonably intelligent person would know that what is 'good' music would be contentious. Conclusion, you're stirring it, as you always do, in a desperate bid to grab attention, any attention even if it's people lambasting you. And you claim that you've better things with which to occupy yourself? Ha!
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Oh my God. WHY do the Few keep trying to Down-Trod those lesser than them-selves???
I have seen other 'posts' from 'eti', and whether I agree with his philosophy in general, I gave what I thought was a TOTALLY
and honest/meaningful answer to what he said/asked ?? Why are 'some' people so deliberately negative in their responses??
I 'know', (sense?), that you are supposed to be 'important' within your own 'circle', but I don't see it, sorry!! :scared:
I think that ONLY you would revel in the use of such words as 'Lambasting' you. Pull your head out of your 'ass'....
No matter what YOU think of him, (and I have my opinions!), he posed a meaningful topic, that 'I' felt required/needed an
equally meaningful response. And I dared to give it.
'You' are a bully, sorry... And I can't STAND bullies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are weak, with nothing real to offer.
Thank goodness there are so many others from all corners of the 'Globe' that are basically/boringly friendly. :-+
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