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| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: SmallCog on April 27, 2022, 12:42:24 am --- --- Quote from: ssander on April 26, 2022, 11:54:04 am --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 26, 2022, 08:32:53 am ---The electrician didn't have a copy? --- End quote --- The electrician knew what they were doing, they demonstrated that on another meter board at the same complex. Without access to the standard, it makes it difficult to reference the standard and show non-compliance. --- End quote --- Agreed. It's very useful to be able to reference a standard to make sure that the work that has been done to that standard is actually to that standard. I currently have educational access via the library at the college I'm studying at. I'm seriously considering finding cheap useless courses just to keep this access. --- End quote --- As far as work in Oz is concerned, I think we're forgetting that a licenced electrician has an obligation to follow the standard since, ultimately, his licence is at stake. In addition to that, sometimes the installation work has to be certified and there is no way anyone will risk pissing off a certifying authority officer. With regards to electrical installation safety, if the fitter is licenced, they should be more than able to assure you that the work is safe should you wish to indicate your apprehension. And if you ask nicely they might even teach you a thing or two. But waving a standards book at a electrical contractor is a dick move. Just talk to them regarding your safety concerns. If you're unable to establish a good relationship then find someone else. Having the book is useless at that point anyway. |
| John B:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 27, 2022, 04:23:38 am ---As far as work in Oz is concerned, I think we're forgetting that a licenced electrician has an obligation to follow the standard since, ultimately, his licence is at stake. In addition to that, sometimes the installation work has to be certified and there is no way anyone will risk pissing off a certifying authority officer. With regards to electrical installation safety, if the fitter is licenced, they should be more than able to assure you that the work is safe should you wish to indicate your apprehension. And if you ask nicely they might even teach you a thing or two. But waving a standards book at a electrical contractor is a dick move. Just talk to them regarding your safety concerns. If you're unable to establish a good relationship then find someone else. Having the book is useless at that point anyway. --- End quote --- Are you being contrarian for the sake of it? There's no non-authoritarian argument against the public having access to the standards they have to live and operate under by law. This really seems like a centuries old argument that the peasants have to live by the bible, but the peasants aren't allowed to learn to read. The building industry is rife with --literally-- sub standard work, simply having faith that work being done up to standard and that there's always going to be some higher authority reviewing the work is just contrary to reality. The best you can do is cover yourself from a few different angles, and one of those is being educated yourself on what standards are applicable. That doesn't mean you're going to catch anything and everything wrong, nor does it mean you are going to judge everything correctly and win every argument against a tradesman or inspector. But it's far more beneficial for the consumer to have some knowledge as opposed to flying blind and just hoping mummy government is doing everything for you. Apparently what they're doing is giving our laws to multinational corpos to sell. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: John B on April 27, 2022, 05:53:55 am --- The best you can do is cover yourself from a few different angles, and one of those is being educated yourself on what standards are applicable. That doesn't mean you're going to catch anything and everything wrong, nor does it mean you are going to judge everything correctly and win every argument against a tradesman or inspector. But it's far more beneficial for the consumer to have some knowledge as opposed to flying blind and just hoping mummy government is doing everything for you. Apparently what they're doing is giving our laws to multinational corpos to sell. --- End quote --- Well, the end game, I believe, is to do away with all the tradies and allow anybody to do anything. Some say the sooner the better. The idea then is to have a inspector for each service visit regularly for a fee. This puts the onus back on the landowner to ensure the occupants are safe no matter who did what. It already happens with rural sewage, bushfire prevention and smoke alarms to a degree. Regular mandatory solar inspections are coming very soon. The meter readers aren't around any more to flag the dangerous fuseboxes. In the meantime, a person with standards books out the arse isn't currently authorised (or trained!) to safely open any electrical fixture to inspect the work within. Understand, we are looking at the same turd from different dung hills. |
| ssander:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 27, 2022, 04:23:38 am ---With regards to electrical installation safety, if the fitter is licenced, they should be more than able to assure you that the work is safe should you wish to indicate your apprehension. --- End quote --- When I highlighted the issue of non-compliance to the strata committee. The response back from the committee member overseeing the project was that the licensed electrician claimed the installation was "safe and legal". Fair trading agreed with me that the work done was non-compliant, and the licensed electrician had to come back and fix it. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 27, 2022, 06:38:25 am ---Well, the end game, I believe, is to do away with all the tradies and allow anybody to do anything. Some say the sooner the better. The idea then is to have a inspector for each service visit regularly for a fee. --- End quote --- There's a middle way, certify anyone doing it for hire and leave citizens free. Everything after the main fuse is between me and my insurer and my insurer isn't sending any inspectors. Here, the end game is "some people will die and that's okay". |
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