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Petition to open/reform Australian Standards availability

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themadhippy:
Think we need to get something like this rolling in the uk , 2nd amendment to our wiring regs landed a month ago,that'll be  £130  worth of books when you add in the onsite guide and guidance notes,the previous amendment isn't 2 years old,and the regs were only released in 2018.so over £400 in less than 4 years.

Someone:

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--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 27, 2022, 06:38:25 am ---Well, the end game, I believe, is to do away with all the tradies and allow anybody to do anything. Some say the sooner the better. The idea then is to have a inspector for each service visit regularly for a fee.
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There's a middle way, certify anyone doing it for hire and leave citizens free. Everything after the main fuse is between me and my insurer and my insurer isn't sending any inspectors. Here, the end game is "some people will die and that's okay".
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That is almost the other extreme, but leaves some people at a significant exposure: renters and public/commercial locations. I have seen some "shockers" clearly done by DIYers. If someone buys a house they can choose if they want an inspection or not, but the cost and time required to check that is disproportionate to a 1 year rental contract (default rental term here). Workplaces are supposed to provide a safe environment, but too often they don't, my house is safer than my workplace but what should be the minimum level of safety acceptable?

Australian situation at the moment: all tradespeople are supposed to be responsible for their work being up to applicable standard, but the only people able to assess that are their own colleagues (its somewhat a racket/protectionism, and rarely do tradespeople have complaints upheld or lose their registration). Its a logical system as many of the things that need to be inspected are hidden in the process (plumbing in particular) so after the fact inspection as Ed.Kloonk suggests is stupid, as it would require installations to be designed specifically for inspection. Even routine electrical "test and tag" plus checking earth continuity in residential installations would be barely functional when you look at the mindless zombies in those industries. Same issue as the tradespeople at the moment, they can do completely inadequate work and if you question them on it the onus is on you to prove the problem. When you do prove the problem was with their substandard work they begrudgingly fix it up and go onto their next sucker client.

The problem is fixing the racket of "trained" people who aren't held to account, opening the standards would be one less roadblock in that.

Even with all the "assurances" of the current Australian system myself and others always get an electrical compliance check done when buying a new property. Just for our own safety, with a tradesperson we trust.

Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: Someone on April 27, 2022, 11:32:51 pm ---Its a logical system as many of the things that need to be inspected are hidden in the process (plumbing in particular) so after the fact inspection as Ed.Kloonk suggests is stupid, as it would require installations to be designed specifically for inspection. Even routine electrical "test and tag" plus checking earth continuity in residential installations would be barely functional when you look at the mindless zombies in those industries.

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The situation with hidden services is that you inspect for obvious effects such as mould, dampness, cracking and damage. It looks as though the initial solar inspections will be brutal at first but will settle down once the dust settles. Once word of mouth spreads that folks are having their solar systems turned off and carded, I think the dodgy setups will get cleaned up fairly quickly and a bit of repair and shiny new sealant here and there will keep them happy.

But we all know it's not about safety nor satisfactory workmanship. It's about collecting fees and keeping some peeps in a job. It's good that you'll have access the to information because, frankly, you're going to need it when the arguments start.

The general population is demanding overall more compliance and these checkers will know the rules. My problem, again, is the new wave of inspectors coming through just like the ordinary home owner will read the rules but not really have had the full background training. It's what people want, apparently.

It's a can of worms that is going to cost a lot of people a lot of money but I do sincerely hope that in the long run the standard of work will lift accordingly.

Terry Bites:
It goes way beyond Oz. Flogging standards is a gloabal racket shrouded in offshore wierdness, flags of conveneience and dubious publishing rights. A junket for blokes in expensive suits.  Its thoroughly scandalous because standard creation is largely funded by tax payers cash.

Its the same with science and tech journals. The tax payer funds the work and then has to pay to see the results. How does that work (not)?
I think they dont want us to see where the money goes or what utter BS is keeping someone in a job.
Its been dark days since Sci-hub has was blocked here in the UK.

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