Petrol vs Electric - Mercedes SLS AMG Battle

[staxquad]

the  conclusion is interesting

[Bored@Work]

If you want to watch a review without the idiot:

[staxquad]

Same conclusion, "too expensive", "not enough range", "too limited", "too heavy"

"smaller and lighter batteries still a decade away"

[SeanB]

Who cares, for my driving cycle it will work perfectly. Even my friend who is an estate agent will be happy with the battery life as well, as he can always do a charge at work for an hour or two during the day as well. Only issue will be the temptation to beat the snot out of the boy racers in their hotted up cars at the lights. And not being able to go into shopping centras as you will always find some ahole who will dent your car as they open the door. I want cameras to cover the entire car to record that.

[Bored@Work]

Same conclusion, "too expensive", "not enough range", "too limited", "too heavy"

"smaller and lighter batteries still a decade away"

Sure, if you want to focus on the negative only. On the positive side a very nice technology, with the potential to end up in everyday cars. Until then early adopters can have a lot of fun with it.

[KJDS]

I was at a track day last week and someone brought along a BMW i3. It did ok, but the owner took it home after four laps as it was eating up the battery so quickly and returned in his M3, which did much better.

They are starting to become practical, but for me there just isn't enough range yet. Tomorrow i'll drive about 300 miles, twice what the i3 is capable of.

[BravoV]

I thought you Brits already converted to metric ? 

[c4757p]

I thought you Brits already converted to metric ? 

That's just what they want us to think.

[IanB]

I thought you Brits already converted to metric ? 

They make us use calculators for sure. Car odometers read miles, but petrol pumps dispense fuel in litres. So if you want to work out your fuel consumption, whether in miles per gallon, or in litres/100 km, you are going to have to do some unit conversions. Convert to litres to gallons, or convert miles to km.

I think the UK government secretly wants everyone to become engineers    (Converting between units of measure is lesson 1 in any engineering course.)

[BravoV]

I thought you Brits already converted to metric ? 

They make us use calculators for sure. Car odometers read miles, but petrol pumps dispense fuel in litres. So if you want to work out your fuel consumption, whether in miles per gallon, or in litres/100 km, you are going to have to do some unit conversions. Convert to litres to gallons, or convert miles to km.

I think the UK government secretly wants everyone to become engineers    (Converting between units of measure is lesson 1 in any engineering course.)

  , ... no wonder you Brits look so stressful unhappy all the time. 

[Galenbo]

If you want to watch a review without the idiot:

a review with a Boring Puppy instead of a Clown.

[Dave]

If you want to watch a review without the idiot

Top Gear is an entertainment show based around cars. Their main goal is to make people laugh. The presentations of cars are not meant to be objective reviews.
Chris Harris of /Drive does things more seriously. He also interviews the makers of the cars and gives you insight on how things work.

One thing that irritates me in this particular video is Chris' incapability to understand the concept of negative torque. How hard is it to grasp that the inner wheels are braking?

[Bored@Work]

Top Gear is an entertainment show based around cars.

Really? Is it? Then why don't the idiot and his two brain-dead sidekicks manage to entertain?

[KJDS]

Top Gear is an entertainment show based around cars.

Really? Is it? Then why don't the idiot and his two brain-dead sidekicks manage to entertain?

Have you seen how much that show is sold round the world for? International sales revenues for it are huge. It works because it's three intelligent men behaving stupidly.

[Bored@Work]

Have you seen how much that show is sold round the world for? International sales revenues for it are huge.

You want to rethink that argument. Justin Bieber has 3+ billion youtube views. That still doesn't make him entertaining in any way.

It works because it's three intelligent men behaving stupidly.

Then it apparently works for those who are into glorifying stupidity.

[senso]

It might be a problem with your sense of humour.
I find Top Gear funny to watch while dining or when I'm updating freaking linux.

[KJDS]

Have you seen how much that show is sold round the world for? International sales revenues for it are huge.

You want to rethink that argument. Justin Bieber has 3+ billion youtube views. That still doesn't make him entertaining in any way.

It works because it's three intelligent men behaving stupidly.

Then it apparently works for those who are into glorifying stupidity.

Are you jealous that they have fun at work, and bring a great deal of fun to others, whilst you spend your working days bored?

[Galenbo]

It works because it's three intelligent men behaving stupidly.

Then it apparently works for those who are into glorifying stupidity.

I'm stupid enough to think it's funny sometimes. Every 2 or 3 months I see a part of an episode, I like it.

[Galenbo]

Top Gear is all bullshit. Enjoyable if you remember that, but relying on it for any kind of advice or objective testing is pointless.

Who ever said that they are objective? Or do you think other humans are so stupid they don't know that.
And by fair, relyable and objective, did you compare that to other programs on TV?

[Kjelt]

It's electric so they should have sent one to Dave to take it apart!

[Rufus]

Remember when they said that a Leaf would need a new battery pack costing £7000 after 4 years? Well the pack warranty is 8 years...

The 8 year warranty did not cover loss of battery capacity. The warranty in 2013 is 5 years or 60k miles and warrants that the battery (or replacement if required) will have at least 70% of original capacity. You can also buy an ongoing battery warranty for $100/month.

Leaf battery wear is a substantial cost, especially if you don't like having up to 30% less of the original range or live somewhere hot.

[tom66]

The Leaf capacity loss is terrible especially in hot weather, pack is only passively air cooled and not while the car is idle. Calendar loss is high for the types of cell Nissan use.

Tesla have an 8yr warranty but there's no set limit on degradation - only "failure" - an unspecified limit. Realistically though there are several owners with over 40,000 miles on their cars still getting 255+ miles out of a rated 265 miles. The batteries will decay about 30% over 200,000 miles; from then on the degradation is a lot less steep.

[Rufus]

Tesla are offering 8 years and unlimited mileage.

Paid for with some of the $40,000 price difference no doubt.

[tom66]

Tesla are offering 8 years and unlimited mileage.

Paid for with some of the $40,000 price difference no doubt.

A larger battery comes with a "free warranty" - on average it'll last more cycles and more miles.

Doubling pack size approximately quadruples typical lifetime.

Tesla's pack is over 3x the size of the Leaf's 24kWh, so it's lifespan should be more than 9x the Leaf's, all other factors being constant.

[zapta]

"When pushed to its full potential, the electric SLS won’t make it two laps around the 12.9-mile Nürburgring Nordschleife."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-electric-drive-first-drive-review