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Piles of Tesla owners stranded at charge stations abandons their EV's.
YurkshireLad:
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--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 16, 2024, 09:02:58 am ---It's not going to be pretty, but quite obviously the current fossil thing isn't pretty either - when the temperature hits -30degC, there is epidemic of diesel vehicles dying and needing a tow, so :-//
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I don't think that's ever been the case? Those living in cold conditions would be using diesel specific to those conditions. Diesel used in Scandinavian countries work far colder than -30 C.
In Australia, "winter diesel" is sold around Canberra and the alpine regions for this very reason.
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I don't know if winter specific additives are added to diesel here in Canada. I certainly don't see the roads lined with abandoned diesel powered vehicles, or lines of tow trucks pulling them. :-//
Dan123456:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on January 16, 2024, 10:10:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on January 16, 2024, 05:13:32 pm ---It's hilarious when the anti-EV conspiricy nutters claim that EVs are about "them" controlling you, when ICE cars are 100% dependent on fuel supply, whereas there will always be electricity, ultimately from your own wind/solar if you want complete independence.
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I did a poll last week:
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Interesting results Dave! Thanks for sharing :)
Although I have a feeling they might be a little skewed towards EVs due to your followers being interested / in the EEV space so would guess they might be more likely to give an EV a fair shake compared to your average Joe :)
That said, I am kinda surprised that the EV number isn’t actually higher in that specific situation since that is a car + constant fuel option vs car with possibly no fuel option in a SHTF situation!
I mean I don’t even particularly like EV’s but I would absolutely take that option unless the situation required me getting far, far away as quickly as possible (say like a nuke was gonna hit home and I had to be 500km away in 6 hours or something really specific like that)!
tom66:
In terms of get out quickly:
- ICE can probably go further in a mad panic, but
- EV is more sustainable for an itinerant lifestyle (off-the-grid).
In apocalypse films/shows, some 20-30 years after a disaster happens, it's usually shown that the 'travellers' are surviving on scavenged fuel from abandoned cars. I'd wonder whether solar+EV would be more sustainable. Surely at a certain point that scavenged fuel is no good at all. Though I suppose solar panels don't last forever, either.
Dan123456:
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 17, 2024, 03:47:52 pm ---In terms of get out quickly:
- ICE can probably go further in a mad panic, but
- EV is more sustainable for an itinerant lifestyle (off-the-grid).
In apocalypse films/shows, some 20-30 years after a disaster happens, it's usually shown that the 'travellers' are surviving on scavenged fuel from abandoned cars. I'd wonder whether solar+EV would be more sustainable. Surely at a certain point that scavenged fuel is no good at all. Though I suppose solar panels don't last forever, either.
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I reckon ICE would be better long, long term as you can scavenge different flammable solvents from everywhere or even just grow corn and make your own ethanol fuel forever :) Cars will run on a lot more than just petrol, especially if it is an old carbureted engine :)
Plus this means you can use your solar panels to power your home rather than needing to share the energy across both :)
That said, if we are only talking up to 5-10 years before all is back to normal, I’d take the EV personally and then try go scavenge some additional solar panels for my home / would just have to deal with sharing the panel with the car :)
nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 17, 2024, 03:47:52 pm ---- EV is more sustainable for an itinerant lifestyle (off-the-grid).
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No. Gasoline cars can run on ethanol which you can make from plants. Same for diesel. For electricity you need some form of generation and batteries. Neither last decades. Keep in mind that there are people driving around in model-T Fords which are over 100 years old. Also, you can't store electricity very long but liquid fuel can be stored much longer so you can drive all year long with an ICE car in case you are living in an area with large seasonal changes in the weather.
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