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tom66:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 17, 2024, 04:06:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 17, 2024, 03:47:52 pm ---- EV is more sustainable for an itinerant lifestyle (off-the-grid).

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No. Gasoline cars can run on ethanol which you can make from plants. Same for diesel. For electricity you need some form of generation and batteries. Neither last decades. Keep in mind that there are people driving around in model-T Fords which are over 100 years old. Also, you can't store electricity very long but liquid fuel can be stored much longer so you can drive all year long with an ICE car in case you are living in an area with large seasonal changes in the weather.

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How large of a field of crops would you need to power one car?  I suspect a few solar panels is easier, you only need about 1kW to charge most EVs.  Also, not competing between your food and fuel demands is good.

The long term calendar aging of Li-ion batteries is a risk, agreed.

tszaboo:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 17, 2024, 04:06:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 17, 2024, 03:47:52 pm ---- EV is more sustainable for an itinerant lifestyle (off-the-grid).

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No. Gasoline cars can run on ethanol which you can make from plants. Same for diesel. For electricity you need some form of generation and batteries. Neither last decades. Keep in mind that there are people driving around in model-T Fords which are over 100 years old. Also, you can't store electricity very long but liquid fuel can be stored much longer so you can drive all year long with an ICE car in case you are living in an area with large seasonal changes in the weather.

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I'll take a horse. Think about Robert Merle: Malevil.

themadhippy:
If the apocalypse involved  or caused a large electromagnetic pulse i wouldnt hold much hope of any ev,or any modern vehicle to  be much use.

nctnico:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on January 17, 2024, 04:58:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on January 17, 2024, 04:06:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 17, 2024, 03:47:52 pm ---- EV is more sustainable for an itinerant lifestyle (off-the-grid).

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No. Gasoline cars can run on ethanol which you can make from plants. Same for diesel. For electricity you need some form of generation and batteries. Neither last decades. Keep in mind that there are people driving around in model-T Fords which are over 100 years old. Also, you can't store electricity very long but liquid fuel can be stored much longer so you can drive all year long with an ICE car in case you are living in an area with large seasonal changes in the weather.

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I'll take a horse. Think about Robert Merle: Malevil.

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A horse or bycicle would make way more sense but the choice was between two cars.


--- Quote from: tom66 on January 17, 2024, 04:36:44 pm ---How large of a field of crops would you need to power one car?

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It depends on how much liquor you want to distill for your own consumption versus the amount of fuel for your car. And you don't need to grow crops specifically for fuel; that is a common misconception.  Every kind of plant can be fermented into alcohol / ethanol.

mikeselectricstuff:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on January 17, 2024, 05:01:15 pm ---If the apocalypse involved  or caused a large electromagnetic pulse i wouldnt hold much hope of any ev,or any modern vehicle to  be much use.

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The metal car body would provide quite a lot of protection. Especially if it was switched off at the time.

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