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Piles of Tesla owners stranded at charge stations abandons their EV's.
Andy Chee:
You can charge your EV from waste cooking oil as well!
EPAIII:
Why would I need Apple Pay or a dedicated, auto company card? Visa, Master Card, and Discover have been around forever.
I'm not a big fan of EVs, and if I can't pay for a charge with my present cards, then it may be a long while before I get one.
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--- Quote from: pqass on January 15, 2024, 07:07:40 pm ---So there's no business model to setup dedicated charging plazas (like a gas station?) where (in addition to the chargers) prime locations are few and expensive. Also, gas stations aren't cheap either with the large tanks in the ground and the evironmental cleanup during and afterwards. It's typical of EV infrastructure to have most costs up front but at least the recurring energy delivery won't require a truck fleet.
But why the worry that Tesla will setup next door to you? It sounds like they manged to get a business model that works for them.
I see a future where existing ammenities (tourist attractions, shopping, dining, etc) will put up a few chargers in their parking lots to attract shoppers. Typically, the property managment companies would own or lease-out the stalls like some solar companies will lease your roof (eg. a cut of production).
If only all the operators would unite under one internet access point/marketplace so that customers can have a seamless experience; having timely knowledge of all nearby available chargers (their abilities and status) and the local attractions to entice/keep them.
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It's already a whole lot better than it was a few years ago. For rapid chargers you can nearly universally use a credit/debit card and bypass all that app bullshit. There's also a few unifying companies that have RFID cards available that give you access to discounted tariffs (for instance I get 8% off the bill when I use my 'Electroverse' card).
For slow AC charging the situation is still "apps are the way" for the majority and it's a pain, though mostly the pain happens when first discovering, oh, this charger is run by Shell, so I need to go and register for those guys and set up my card with them. And for some reason a lot of these companies haven't figured out Apple Pay, seriously, this is 2024, it's been around as an app integration for at least 5 years now.
--- Quote from: pqass on January 15, 2024, 07:07:40 pm ---From the news reporting, I'm surprised that the Tesla network still lead cutomers to unavailable chargers.
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I suspect it didn't, Tesla does route people away from chargers like this. It is probably the case that people went here because they knew it existed. That said Tesla will never route its customers to 3rd party chargers so if this is truly the only supercharger for a while it could be a reason they all ended up there. They should probably change that, though I can understand their reluctance as they are a bit like Apple in wanting to control the whole "experience".
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EPAIII:
The US was undergoing a winter storm, a big one. I am still feeling it here in south Texas. I can only imagine the amount of stress and damage the electric grid in Chicago was undergoing. Everyone using electric space heaters to stay warm, trees falling on power lines, repair vehicles having trouble getting to the scene of problems. Ect. Ect. Ect.
I would bet that it was the grid and not that charging station that was at fault. Of course, this is an educated guess on my part and I could be wrong.
--- Quote from: wraper on January 15, 2024, 07:45:40 pm ---Dunno what's wrong with that Chicago charging station or those people who left those cars but in say Norway superchargers operate in much harsher weather conditions. I only know Chicago for being a world famous dysfunctional shithole, so prolly has to do something with that.
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tom66:
--- Quote from: EPAIII on January 18, 2024, 11:41:29 am ---Why would I need Apple Pay or a dedicated, auto company card? Visa, Master Card, and Discover have been around forever.
I'm not a big fan of EVs, and if I can't pay for a charge with my present cards, then it may be a long while before I get one.
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You can use either. The problem with a regular contactless card is, depending on your card provider, you might be required to enter a PIN, and some EV chargers don't have pin pads. Apple Pay and the like solve that by doing on-device verification.
For what it's worth, I've used both options for paying, and not had any issues yet. And I think merchants can decide to omit the PIN check if they want but they risk fraudulent transactions being reversed.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 17, 2024, 11:49:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on January 17, 2024, 08:20:45 pm ---Efficiency is also a point. The German ADAC tested charging efficiency for BEVs from a 230V 16A outlet and measured losses up to 30%.
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Do you have a link to that report? 1.1kW of losses is crazy high for a 3.6kW charger. I measured the loss on my ID.3 at around 350W for a 7.2kW input. I expect it is probably around 200-250W for a 3.6kW input. Most of it is expended on running battery pumps, contactors, computers, fans etc. If the battery heater has to run that's another matter but typically not needed unless well below -10C.
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You can Google 'Adac charging losses'
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