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Piles of Tesla owners stranded at charge stations abandons their EV's.

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Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 18, 2024, 12:41:54 pm ---In the context of this discussion it is not. Scroll up a few posts and you'll see somebody coined a 1kW number for a solar panel system to charge an EV from.

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Yeah. That discussion was quite useless because firstly no one in their right mind would get a 1kW system for their prepper LARP, but probably 10kWp or so. But then again, when the nuclear winter hits then even that 10kWp doesn't produce much anything, and after 20 years the EV battery is dead anyway, just like most ICE cars and their spare parts, and if you have a working vehicle someone steals it from you, so we are back to horses anyway.

themadhippy:

--- Quote --- so we are back to horses anyway
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none left mate mc donalds has bought em all

Homer J Simpson:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on January 18, 2024, 02:11:03 pm ---
--- Quote --- so we are back to horses anyway
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none left mate mc donalds has bought em all

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That was Ikea

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/02/25/172869585/horsemeat-found-in-ikeas-meatballs

nctnico:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 18, 2024, 01:44:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on January 18, 2024, 12:41:54 pm ---In the context of this discussion it is not. Scroll up a few posts and you'll see somebody coined a 1kW number for a solar panel system to charge an EV from.

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Yeah. That discussion was quite useless because firstly no one in their right mind would get a 1kW system for their prepper LARP, but probably 10kWp or so. But then again, when the nuclear winter hits then even that 10kWp doesn't produce much anything, and after 20 years the EV battery is dead anyway, just like most ICE cars and their spare parts, and if you have a working vehicle someone steals it from you, so we are back to horses anyway.

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Agreed. Humans have used dogs, donkey, oxes, horses, elephants, etc for transport for thousands of years. People will be fine without a car. Any kind of car probably needs more effort to keep going compared to the benefits. Just attach some leashes to the steering wheel and put some horses in front of a car. You'll get an auto-pilot on top of it if you take the same route every time. Horses aren't stupid and remember the routes.

richard.cs:

--- Quote from: tom66 on January 18, 2024, 12:27:23 pm ---Right, so the 30% figure seems to come from the Renault Zoe when charging off a "granny charger", which is well known to be inefficient at low current charging because of its "Chameleon" architecture, using the electric motor as part of the charging circuit.  This allows the car to charge at up to 43kW (older models) or 22kW (newer models) for rapid AC charging en-route.  It didn't end up being a successful method, with most car manufacturers standardising on DC CCS charging, including the new Zoe (which just has a standard 7kW charger now), but there are plenty of these cars around.

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The new Zoe still does 22 kW AC charging with a factory option for DC CCS but 43 kW is essentially dead in current production cars. I suspect unlike 43 kW charge points the 22 kW ones are here to stay - simply because there's a big mix of 7 kW (32 A single phase) and 11 kW (16 A 3 phase) cars around, so a 32 A 3 phase charger is the lowest common denominator that will charge both at full rate. That and AC chargers are comparatively cheap to install with costs that don't really scale with rating.

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