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themadhippy:

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no surprise in a country were the local council claims your rubbish belongs to them ,even though you aint thrown it away yet.

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the key statement

--- Quote ---She explained to Palm Beach Daily News, “Whether or not it’s on the curb or in your house, if it’s trash, it’s the property of the Solid Waste Authority.”
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Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: fourfathom on January 18, 2024, 09:40:30 pm ---Re: EVs in the cold, we've got relatives in Finland, and a few weeks ago it was *COLD* (even for Finland in the winter).  We saw stories of many Teslas stranded on the roads; because of the reduced range they ran out of juice before they could reach a charging station.

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We did, but we also saw a lot of stories of diesels stranded on the roads. Just like EV fanboys say EVs are problem-free in any weather, ICE fanboys say the same about diesel vehicles. Yet both fail at some similar-ish % in the real world.

Tow truck companies were asked by media about the relative numbers and their comment was pretty much that EVs did not stand out at all, so that their "gut feeling" was the failures are roughly in relation to having fewer EVs than ICE cars on the roads.

And BTW, it wasn't that particularly cold. There is some kind of mass psychosis (especially in classic media, but social media too) going on such that normal winter weather is touted as something extreme. It was a week between -23 .. -30 degC in the southern parts (and down to nearly -40degC up North) and that is totally absolutely normal for January here; you don't hit -30 every year but one could say nearly every other year, and -25 pretty much every year. Seems like people are suffering some kind of collective memory loss and lost touch with reality, in the presence of "new normals" ("climate changed so much so quickly we will never see snow again!") we have lost the idea what is the "old normal", and the fact that actual true reality is still pretty close to it.

fourfathom:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 19, 2024, 06:33:16 am ---And BTW, it wasn't that particularly cold.
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I've been in the middle of a half-dozen Finnish winters over the course of 20+ years, and my son was there a few weeks ago (and of course we hear from our relatives often), and this winter did seem substantially colder than what I've experienced.  But my (very limited) experience doesn't begin to compare with yours, so I'm sure you are correct.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: fourfathom on January 19, 2024, 07:06:23 am ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 19, 2024, 06:33:16 am ---And BTW, it wasn't that particularly cold.
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I've been in the middle of a half-dozen Finnish winters over the course of 20+ years, and my son was there a few weeks ago (and of course we hear from our relatives often), and this winter did seem substantially colder than what I've experienced.  But my (very limited) experience doesn't begin to compare with yours, so I'm sure you are correct.

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Yeah, 80% of winters have a really cold week or two. Gulf stream and proximity of the seas basically prevent long-sustained cold periods (usual in more continental areas like Siberia). Just that in some years this "really cold week" means -25, but sometimes -28, this year has been in the latter class so yes, maybe a little bit colder than usual, but I don't "feel" anything being weird like some apparently do for reasons I can't understand and call "mass psychosis". And I don't even like the cold so I have every reason for a personal "oh shit it's colder than ever" bias!

But when you have just one cold week, even if you visit during three coldest months, your visit would have 1/12 chance of coinciding with that cold week, so you need quite a few random visits to statistically see that, unless you plan ahead. Going up North is a good way to increase chances of experiencing temperatures below -30degC if you are masochistic enough to like it. I don't like cold at all, I would prefer building a heated glass bubble and put some palm trees inside. The positive side of the -25...-30*C week is that today it was -11degC in the morning and it feels so warm and cozy outdoors as you have adapted to the cold (and the EV consumption went below 20kWh/100km again, too). And I'm under the impression that adaption to cold happens more quickly, in a few days, than adaption to excessive heat, which would take weeks.

tom66:
It's no comparison to -20C weather, but I found the ID.3 to be very good even in -5C which is pretty cold for the UK.  The only noticeable issue is that the power output is limited to about 80% of normal, but on icy roads you don't want to be accelerating too hard so it's not a major problem.

Preheating the car to deice it is fantastic.  It also turns the heated seats on, nice and toasty.  For some reason though it doesn't deice the mirrors, which are heated.  Well, I guess you can't have it all.  My Golf PHEV had the same limitation, so you had to sit in the car for 60s waiting for them to deice.  Since everything is software controlled it surprised me as an omission.  First world problems though right?

Seems once at temperature the heat pump uses about 1.5kW to maintain cabin temperatures at a comfortable 20C.  The implication would be then for a 3 hour drive, that is about 4.5kWh extra load, or roughly 8% of the battery.  In the real world the drop in range seems to be around 10% at these temperatures so that seems about right.

Haven't yet tried to see what a cold soaked battery will do for rapid charging though.

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