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Piles of Tesla owners stranded at charge stations abandons their EV's.

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Zero999:
I wonder if there's anyone else here who doesn't care because they don't own a car?

I cycle most places and when I do want to go longer distances, faster, I have a small motorcycle which does over 120mpg and is cheap to tax and insure and that only gets used every couple of weeks. I can see why most people have a car and the arguments for and against ICE vs EV. As I said in the other post, a lot of the anti-EV sentiment comes from people who feel as tough they're being forced to changed and don't like being told what to do. If governments really want people to get EVs, then they need to make it as easy for people to get them, not bully people into it.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on January 19, 2024, 04:53:59 pm ---Or a greater percentage of EV drivers are either smart enough not to venture out, or in a work or financial position not to venture out. There's a lot of factors.

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I thought about that first, but then it appeared to me that because ICE cars have been there forever, it is also more likely their total number includes vehicles not in active use, especially because old ICE cars are really cheap and one can afford to just keep them registered (I have one spare, too), while EVs are so expensive to buy you have to drive them. This would cause the opposite effect to what you say.

In any case, it's worth seeing the numbers are the same order of magnitude. For something this unscientific not taking fine details into consideration, less than 2x difference is not meaningful. 10x would be.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on January 19, 2024, 06:58:18 pm ---People whose use case is easily adapted to EVs and those whose use case doesn't fit well with current EV technology.  What both groups have in common is a belief that their use case is universal.

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Sure, that's always been the case and I don't believe people are so stupid to think their use case is universal (I hope), rather nearly everyone totally agrees with you to the point of it being so obvious not to be mentioned.

It's interesting though how the advances in EVs constantly shift the portions of these groups. With the first-generation (ignoring 1800's EVs and small one-offs etc. of 1900's) production EVs of early 2010's, they matched with maybe the use pattern of 5%, if even that - only commuting or driving in city; for the occasional longer trip rent an ICE car. Those days are long past. Now longer trips are not the question of being possible at all, but rather that some heavy-duty use cases are still inconvenient with EV. Now EVs suit for maybe 50% of people. If the current pace keeps going, we are going to hit 90-95% in less than 5 years, I believe. The actual transition is still slower of course, because being suitable for someone on my opinion is totally different from someone actually wanting to buy it, and wanting to buy something is then again different from being able to buy it.

bdunham7:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 19, 2024, 07:56:03 pm ---I thought about that first, but then it appeared to me that because ICE cars have been there forever, it is also more likely their total number includes vehicles not in active use, especially because old ICE cars are really cheap and one can afford to just keep them registered (I have one spare, too), while EVs are so expensive to buy you have to drive them. This would cause the opposite effect to what you say.

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Hmmm...I have both an EV and an old all-wheel-drive SUV.  If I needed a tow because I was stuck in the snowy mountains which vehicle do you think I'd be more likely to be in?

Norway and the US upper-midwest are two different places and I can tell you without any equivocation that the latter is a tough place to operate any EV.  EVs have been fairly scarce there until pretty recently, so lets wait and see what a decade of salt exposure does to your average Tesla. 

tom66:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 19, 2024, 07:56:03 pm ---I thought about that first, but then it appeared to me that because ICE cars have been there forever, it is also more likely their total number includes vehicles not in active use, especially because old ICE cars are really cheap and one can afford to just keep them registered (I have one spare, too), while EVs are so expensive to buy you have to drive them. This would cause the opposite effect to what you say.
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I don't follow.  People buy a vehicle to suit their use cases... but they aren't going to drive their car just because it cost a lot of money.  I don't take my car out around the block every night to "get my money's worth".  I bought it in part because I have a long commute, and I prefer EVs, and there are environmental benefits... Driving it more would negate much of that?

What would be useful is annual mileage statistics between fuel types.  IIRC the last time the study was done in the UK it unsurprisingly showed that diesel and hybrid drivers did more miles than petrol drivers.  I would expect EVs to be somewhere in the middle.

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