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nctnico:

--- Quote from: fourfathom on January 20, 2024, 12:58:06 am ---Re: cabin noise, perhaps it's just a BMW thing, but some models were so quiet inside that BMW decided to pipe some engine noise into the cabin.  Customers *wanted* to hear that rumble.  Me, I've only got ICE vehicles, but for my last "road trip" car one of the factors in my choice was cabin noise.  I want a quiet ride!

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I agree. Piping engine noise or using a speaker (yes, those systems exist!) to have (more) motor sound inside the cabin seems like total crap to me. And yet we'll see BEVs with just that. AFAIK Toyota has some BEV models lined up which emulate stick shifting including the RPM dial and motor sound  :palm:  :palm: FFS!

vad:
The only obvious impact of the electrification of transportation is the export of greenhouse gases and other emissions to countries like China. While environmental pollution with carcinogens in China is less likely to affect your neighborhood, CO2 spreads in the atmosphere quickly, so exporting CO2 doesn't work here.

It's challenging to estimate the exact comparative carbon footprint of BEVs vs ICE vehicles. With a BEV, you are prepaying your climate change contribution. Whether a specific ICE or BEV results in higher or lower overall CO2 emissions depends on factors like make and model, driving habits, annual mileage, and the vehicle's lifetime.

For instance, if you're a trader driving 200 miles per day, 250 days a year in your Tesla Cybertruck, you're likely contributing less to CO2 emissions than if you were driving a petrol RAM 1500 for that job. On the other hand, if you're a casual driver with range anxiety who only uses a car for weekly groceries and rents a petrol car for longer trips, your carbon footprint may be significant compared to if you owned ICE car instead.

fourfathom:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 20, 2024, 01:03:48 am ---
--- Quote from: fourfathom on January 20, 2024, 12:58:06 am ---Re: cabin noise, perhaps it's just a BMW thing, but some models were so quiet inside that BMW decided to pipe some engine noise into the cabin.  Customers *wanted* to hear that rumble.  Me, I've only got ICE vehicles, but for my last "road trip" car one of the factors in my choice was cabin noise.  I want a quiet ride!

--- End quote ---
I agree. Piping engine noise or using a speaker (yes, those systems exist!) to have (more) motor sound inside the cabin seems like total crap to me. And yet we'll see BEVs with just that. AFAIK Toyota has some BEV models lined up which emulate stick shifting including the RPM dial and motor sound  :palm:  :palm: FFS!

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This reminds of the cars driven by the general public in the short story "The Marching Morons" by C.M. Kornbluth (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/51233/51233-h/51233-h.htm).  This story obviously influenced the films "Robocop" and "Idiocracy".

BrianHG:

--- Quote from: fourfathom on January 20, 2024, 12:58:06 am ---Re: cabin noise, perhaps it's just a BMW thing, but some models were so quiet inside that BMW decided to pipe some engine noise into the cabin.  Customers *wanted* to hear that rumble.  Me, I've only got ICE vehicles, but for my last "road trip" car one of the factors in my choice was cabin noise.  I want a quiet ride!

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The quietest ride I've even been in was a few decades ago when driving a Jaguar XJ12.  The engine was almost completely silent and you were almost virtually isolated from road and wind noise on the highway compared to most other cars.  Except at a stand still and very slow city traffic speeds in an EV, I would call it the most comfortably quiet ride I ever experienced.

David Hess:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 20, 2024, 01:03:48 am ---I agree. Piping engine noise or using a speaker (yes, those systems exist!) to have (more) motor sound inside the cabin seems like total crap to me. And yet we'll see BEVs with just that. AFAIK Toyota has some BEV models lined up which emulate stick shifting including the RPM dial and motor sound  :palm:  :palm: FFS!
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We used to joke about this in connection with small engine cars.  Install a big sound system facing out to produce the V-8 rumble of your choice, and a little servo arm below the running board to push on the pavement and tilt the vehicle when you gun the simulated engine.

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