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Dan123456:

--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on January 20, 2024, 10:33:50 am ---I honestly don’t know man. I think focusing on the grid (and future of the grid) should be the priority as EV’s powered by coal aren’t really any better.

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Often stated, but wrong:

(Poland runs mainly on coal)


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So are you arguing we should just replace all fuel with coal powered EVs as one study suggests it might be better?

I’m no environmental activist be that sounds like a pretty bad idea to me  :P

Edit: my bad, I broke the quote thing. One day I’ll get the hang of it  :P
Andy Chee:

--- Quote from: Dan123456 on January 20, 2024, 11:58:27 am ---
--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on January 20, 2024, 10:33:50 am ---I honestly don’t know man. I think focusing on the grid (and future of the grid) should be the priority as EV’s powered by coal aren’t really any better.

———————

Often stated, but wrong:

(Poland runs mainly on coal)


--- End quote ---

So are you arguing we should just replace all fuel with coal powered EVs as one study suggests it might be better?

I’m no environmental activist be that sounds like a pretty bad idea to me  :P

--- End quote ---
I presume EVs are better, not because they run from coal, but because they are fuel agnostic (i.e. nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, waste veggie oil, timber, hydrogen, natural gas, mice running in wheels, whatever).
Ice-Tea:

--- Quote from: Dan123456 on January 20, 2024, 11:58:27 am ---
--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on January 20, 2024, 10:33:50 am ---I honestly don’t know man. I think focusing on the grid (and future of the grid) should be the priority as EV’s powered by coal aren’t really any better.

———————

Often stated, but wrong:

(Poland runs mainly on coal)


--- End quote ---

So are you arguing we should just replace all fuel with coal powered EVs as one study suggests it might be better?

I’m no environmental activist be that sounds like a pretty bad idea to me  :P

Edit: my bad, I broke the quote thing. One day I’ll get the hang of it  :P

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I'm not saying we should do that. I'm saying that even if we did that the CO2 emissions would be lower.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: Dan123456 on January 20, 2024, 11:58:27 am ---
--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on January 20, 2024, 10:33:50 am ---I honestly don’t know man. I think focusing on the grid (and future of the grid) should be the priority as EV’s powered by coal aren’t really any better.

———————

Often stated, but wrong:

(Poland runs mainly on coal)


--- End quote ---

So are you arguing we should just replace all fuel with coal powered EVs as one study suggests it might be better?

I’m no environmental activist be that sounds like a pretty bad idea to me  :P

--- End quote ---
It is. You can make a simple back-of-the-envelope calculation which shows there is no way a BEV running on coal is a better alternative compared to an efficient hybrid. The researchers publishing papers saying otherwise always leave hybrids out. How convenient.... As a mid-term solution, hybrids are actually a better choice given the current circumstance in order to bring CO2 emissions down as these are more affordable and useable for a wider range of people.
Andy Chee:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 20, 2024, 12:39:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: Dan123456 on January 20, 2024, 11:58:27 am ---
--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on January 20, 2024, 10:33:50 am ---I honestly don’t know man. I think focusing on the grid (and future of the grid) should be the priority as EV’s powered by coal aren’t really any better.

———————

Often stated, but wrong:

(Poland runs mainly on coal)


--- End quote ---

So are you arguing we should just replace all fuel with coal powered EVs as one study suggests it might be better?

I’m no environmental activist be that sounds like a pretty bad idea to me  :P

--- End quote ---
It is. You can make a simple back-of-the-envelope calculation which shows there is no way a BEV running on coal is a better alternative compared to an efficient hybrid. The researchers publishing papers saying otherwise always leave hybrids out. How convenient.... As a mid-term solution, hybrids are actually a better choice given the current circumstance in order to bring CO2 emissions down.

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Not all hybrids are the same, hybrids come in different energy splits and topologies (series vs parallel). For example, 100kW ICE/100kW electric motor, versus 5kW ICE/195kW electric motor, versus 195kW ICE/5kW electric motor.

So when you say hybrids are a better choice, which hybrid model (and topology) are you talking about?  The 5kW ICE/195kW electric motor hybrid seems worse than a 200kW fully electric.
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