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nctnico:

--- Quote from: Marco on January 27, 2024, 05:04:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on January 27, 2024, 02:11:58 pm ---In the end your life / safety is worth more compared to saving a few bucks.

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I doubt you can ignore vehicle weight for tire design, especially for aquaplaning.

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It is not like BEVs are twice as heavy. The difference is a few hundred kilograms at most between comparable cars.

PlainName:

--- Quote ---a few hundred kilograms at most
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"Quarter of a ton"

The actual weight, and thus effect, depends how you describe it :)

Zero999:
I wonder if modern cars with traction control promote more risky driving because the driver gets less of a hint they're pushing it to the limit before they lose control. Perhaps the car should warn the driver when they're pushing it, by gently vibrating the seat and making a noise?

temperance:
Golf 4: 1107 kg
Golf 5: 1302 kg
Golf ID3: 1705 kg
Golf ID4: 1966 kg

For the Golf 4 and 5 you have to add fuel or something like 40 kg.

That's not "a few hundred kilograms at most between comparable cars" but 650 kg. This requires heavier brakes, better tires and a change in driving style. The recent change however in driving style seen on motorways seems to be slaloming between cars when a suitable gap on no matter which lane has been found because you can overtake cars in a matter of seconds with those machines. So I adapted my driving style to leave even a larger gap between me and the car in front of me to give way to the idiots.

When I was a teenager a golf GTI was a very fast car and many youngsters killed themself (and very often their friends too. The weekend tragedies.) because they overestimated their driving skills while running on coke and pills. Today people are driving around in cars with acceleration figures close those of a formula 1 car.

David Hess:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on January 28, 2024, 12:25:42 pm ---I wonder if modern cars with traction control promote more risky driving because the driver gets less of a hint they're pushing it to the limit before they lose control. Perhaps the car should warn the driver when they're pushing it, by gently vibrating the seat and making a noise?
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Yes, various driver stability improvements promote riskier driving.

When anti-lock brakes first became available there was an opportunity to study their effects on drivers.  Some cities required taxi fleets to have anti-lock brakes so there was plenty of good data.  Initially the number of collisions went down, but as the drivers became accustomed to anti-lock brakes, the number of collisions increased until it reached the previous level, and on average the collisions became more serious.

I would sure like traction control for driving over snow and ice.  Spinning out on a highway 395 and getting stuck off the side of the road once was one time too many, even if everybody else on the highway did the same thing when the freezing rain started.  Had this happened a few miles further on, I would have crashed down the side of a mountain.  Since I cannot afford a new vehicle, and maybe I would not want one anyway, I installed a weather station so I can keep better track of outside conditions, beefier tires, and am adding a front bumper with tow hooks and big fog lights for better visibility in rain, snow, and fog.

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