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coromonadalix:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on January 28, 2024, 12:25:42 pm ---I wonder if modern cars with traction control promote more risky driving because the driver gets less of a hint they're pushing it to the limit before they lose control. Perhaps the car should warn the driver when they're pushing it, by gently vibrating the seat and making a noise?

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i have it on mine,  sound alarm and blinking sign in the dash,  but  sometimes it goes against you,   
it may or will choke the motor output,  but when you really need it  nada niet, it become dangerous to a certain extent

many feature are a give and take .... some are good, some are discuttable

you have lane assist, front and rear obstacles detection,  dead angle detection  ........    too much snow on the top winshield, the car complains    ... too much dew in the habitacle   car complains  ...........
Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: temperance on January 28, 2024, 02:19:17 pm ---Golf 4: 1107 kg
Golf 5: 1302 kg
Golf ID3: 1705 kg
Golf ID4: 1966 kg

That's not "a few hundred kilograms at most between comparable cars" but 650 kg.

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You are comparing some older generation of ICE vehicles with modern-day EVs, while missing the fact ICE vehicles also became heavier. It's a weird idea how a 300kg, maybe 350kg battery pack would make the car weigh 650kg more, and it obviously doesn't - add the fact that electric motors have excellent power density, so the weight has to come from somewhere else.

So the big question is, why are cars getting heavier and more SUV-like all the time, worsening aerodynamics as well? I don't like it. It's also crap on fuel efficiency. This trend affects both ICEs and EVs. And EV designers get some slack from regenerative braking and think they can get away with extra weight, which I don't like either.

Same can be said about tires. Wider, and wider, and wider, despite the fact that optimum tire width was found decades ago and the increases have almost exclusively negative effects, including both increased fuel consumption and worse grip. They are also more expensive to buy.

I would like to see a VW Golf class EV with weight less than 1200kg. While some advances in battery energy density would be still needed to reach that goal, it seems to me it's actually not the #1 problem anymore. Too much weight from everything else than the battery. Just think about the sudden 200kg increase between your quoted Golf 4 and 5 numbers. Where did that come from? I mean, you can get pretty decent EV battery in that 200kg!
nctnico:
According to what I've read in various articles is that safety features like airbags, re-inforcements, crumple zones, etc are adding the the weight. In addition to that, cars keep getting bigger by about 2cm per year. The latter is due to car manufacturers wanting to sell you a bigger 'the same' car without you thinking you are buying a more expensive model. The Volkswagen Polo is a classic example of a car that has been inflated over the years. But once the entry level model got too big & expensive, car manufacturers put a new entry level car on the market. Like the Volkswagen Up . And the upsizing cycle starts again.
coppice:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 28, 2024, 04:47:30 pm ---So the big question is, why are cars getting heavier and more SUV-like all the time, worsening aerodynamics as well? I don't like it. It's also crap on fuel efficiency. This trend affects both ICEs and EVs. And EV designers get some slack from regenerative braking and think they can get away with extra weight, which I don't like either.

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The claim is reaching 5 stars for NCAP testing means cars need a lot more material to strengthen them, even though they are now using higher strength steels. Its the same reason that window area is shrinking, and reversing cameras are becoming a necessity. I remember in 1992 when Toyota released a massively reworked Camry. Its was considered a breakthrough update. People loved the car in most ways, but a lot wouldn't buy it because it felt like looking through the slit of an armoured car. Now pretty much every car is like that.
Marco:
Contemporary VW Golf 1.5 is still ~1300 kg and has 5 star NCAP.
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