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Offline balage

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Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« on: January 21, 2020, 08:18:13 am »
I've read that virus based pneumonia is infecting in China. Actually it is a killer-virus. I was always thinking whether any infections can be get from Chinese packages like ones from ebay, aliexpress.

Do you think it means a threat now? I am not a biologist so I cannot judge if viruses can survive the transportation but anything can happen.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2020, 08:28:30 am »
I am not a Doctor but every Year there seems to be another Killer Virus either in Asia or Africa.

Quite honestly I think we will be safe here in Europe... most of us anyways.  >:D
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2020, 08:30:09 am »
Not likely. Viruses in general can not survive for long outside of living cells.
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2020, 08:46:11 am »
Telling the truth, I have never heard anybody got anything from such a package...

And what about bacterials? They can survive extreme environment.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 08:59:29 am »
I'm not sure you can get a virus from a package. However, I did manage to catch something from a laser cutter I bought from China - the usual blue-box K40. For some reason I decided to check that the coolant tube wasn't blocked by blowing through it. I've no idea quiet how, but there was some water left in it (from testing I assume) and I manage to get some in my mouth. I later came down with some nasty bug. I can't remember what it was, but my wife is a GP and she mentioned that it seemed like something she would normally only test for if someone had been abroad to Asia. I confessed about the laser cutter and after being told how stupid I was she confirmed that might have been it.

Other that that bizarre situation though, I'd say you're safe!
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 09:22:45 am »
I am not a Doctor but every Year there seems to be another Killer Virus either in Asia or Africa.

Quite honestly I think we will be safe here in Europe... most of us anyways.  >:D

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 09:26:25 am »
The real answer is, nobody knows. Until the doctors figure out what is the nature of the virus, such as how long can it survive out of a living cell, no can tell a definitive answer.

It's prudent not to order from China, at least not from Wuhan, but I'm not terribly concerned with stuff from HK or SZ, as those places are far from Wuhan, and so far no cases have been reported in those areas.

The only Cantonese cases are from people traveling back from Wuhan or their direct family members.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 09:29:39 am »
It sounds like the current one doesn't have a high mortality rate. My advice would be to stay away from camels. And relax if Greta doesn't sort out the pesky humans you just have to look at the long term... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2020, 09:44:37 am »
It sounds like the current one doesn't have a high mortality rate. My advice would be to stay away from camels. And relax if Greta doesn't sort out the pesky humans you just have to look at the long term... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

Heh, the only thing that Greta character sorts out is her publicity.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2020, 10:04:56 am »
As always, the media blow things like this right out of proportion.

Any virus can be a "killer", particularly if you're young, old or have a compromised immune system.

Outside of a host, most viruses are very short-lived. On solid, non-porous surfaces such as plastics very few viruses survive for more than 24 hours. Norovirus is one such example and can live for weeks or even months if conditions are right.

For the most part, washing your hands with soap and water and not touching your face will reduce exposure to viruses by orders of magnitude. If you're really worried/paranoid, use an alcohol-based hand sanitiser with Chlorhexidine Gluconate (a broad spectrum bactericide).
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2020, 10:17:57 am »
imo pneumonia is a very very very general description
the usual channels i read are not saying what is being found
i think they are simply not trying to talk to media so nobody knows what to avoid and therefore no panic ... hmmm ?
but it is contagious
and 4 persons have died iirc



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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2020, 10:51:58 am »
imo pneumonia is a very very very general description
the usual channels i read are not saying what is being found
i think they are simply not trying to talk to media so nobody knows what to avoid and therefore no panic ... hmmm ?
but it is contagious
and 4 persons have died iirc

It's commonly known as Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). There is no secret about it and it's relatively well known. The number of deaths is insignificant.
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2020, 11:33:40 am »
i think they are simply not trying to talk to media so nobody knows what to avoid and therefore no panic ... hmmm ?

I remember you are from Singapore before you changed your flag to 00, so I presume you can read Chinese.

Just read Chinese news, it's updated much quicker.

So far, 291 infections and among them 6 casualties have been confirmed.

Human to human transmission is confirmed, but the contagious level and damage are not.

No cases of chain infections (1 to multiple) have been identified, other than health care personnel, which have more exposures to patients and more importantly, infectious aerosols from intubation process.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2020, 01:54:27 pm »
I am not a Doctor but every Year there seems to be another Killer Virus either in Asia or Africa.

Quite honestly I think we will be safe here in Europe... most of us anyways.  >:D

People die from infectious, communicable diseases in Europe too, the difference is that the media likes to exaggerate scare stories and an exotic disease in a far flung place is perfect to scare the people who take what the papers say as immutable truth.

I would never have believed anyone was so gullible to believe everything the newspapers printed until I was told 'they wouldn't be allowed to print it if it wasn't true' by a work colleague.

 
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2020, 02:31:43 pm »
It's hard to claim there is no risk at all, of course. But as others have pointed out, viruses in themselves are relatively short-lived, and since packages from China tend to take time to arrive in foreign countries (unless you use private transport such as DHL, UPS, etc.), the risk is probably very low. The more common kind of transmitted virus infections from Asia are usually from infected insects like species of mosquitoes, but AFAIK, pneumonia is not transmitted by mosquitoes (may be wrong about it).

The fact that blueskull warned us is concerning, though.

And it just happens that I received a package from China a couple days ago. Eek. How much time does pneumonia take to incubate? :phew:
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2020, 02:35:18 pm »
And it just happens that I received a package from China a couple days ago. Eek. How much time does pneumonia take to incubate? :phew:

Just do whatever you wanted to do, enjoy, and we will miss you >:D.
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2020, 03:06:21 pm »
And it just happens that I received a package from China a couple days ago. Eek. How much time does pneumonia take to incubate? :phew:

Just do whatever you wanted to do, enjoy, and we will miss you >:D.

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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2020, 03:59:54 pm »
The number has just gone to 308 in mainland China, 1 in Taiwan, and 4 abroad, casualty remains at 6, both in Wuhan.

Suspected infections have spread to as far as Australia, with 45 in mainland China, 117 in Hong Kong and a few sparse cases abroad.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2020, 04:04:29 pm »
From what I have read on the news all Infection are directly linked to a Fisher Market in the Region of Wuhan and that so far the Scientist believe it is less Infectious as the SARS or Mers Infections we had before.

 :-//

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2020, 04:07:03 pm »
From what I have read on the news all Infection are directly linked to a Fisher Market

Which illegally sells wild animals, even live ones. Remember how we got SARS? Some f*tards just can't learn.

Just eat dogs and leave other exotic animals alone.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2020, 04:11:28 pm »
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Which illegally sells wild animals, even live ones.

Considering this is not the first Time that China has been struck by a Virus how harsh of a reaction can we expect from the Authorities? Or do they only care when real money is involved?
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2020, 04:19:43 pm »
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Which illegally sells wild animals, even live ones.

Considering this is not the first Time that China has been struck by a Virus how harsh of a reaction can we expect from the Authorities? Or do they only care when real money is involved?

Fighting the new virus? Absolutely no efforts spared.

Fighting illegal wild animals trade? Not gonna change too much.

As powerful as the central government is, the regional governments are very weak due to corruption and the smartness of Chinese people.

Education might be the way to go, but before the demands subside, I don't think any illegal trades can be eradicated.
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2020, 04:21:47 pm »
In the past, during that Flu panic where people were stockpiling TamiFlu (oseltamivir) [Cost £650M for basically no benefit],  I have read flutrackers...
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/china-2019-ncov
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2020, 05:39:09 pm »
Telling the truth, I have never heard anybody got anything from such a package...

And what about bacterials? They can survive extreme environment.

I just recently got some PCB's from China and feel fine.
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2020, 06:36:40 pm »
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/

Even a week they say.
Generally longer in cold.
Fortunately the packages off ebay travel longer, afaik..
 


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