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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2020, 06:59:41 pm »
I've read that virus based pneumonia is infecting in China. Actually it is a killer-virus. I was always thinking whether any infections can be get from Chinese packages like ones from ebay, aliexpress.

Do you think it means a threat now? I am not a biologist so I cannot judge if viruses can survive the transportation but anything can happen.

that kind of virus does not survive long in open air although cold and dry weather usually prolongs its survival time...

BTW there are some publications on that topic
this is one of the first results I found with a quick search:
The Effects of Temperature and Relative Humidity on the Viability of the SARS Coronavirus
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2020, 09:09:49 pm »
If the total chinese population copped it there would be no more Chinese left to make all those lovely cheap chinese products.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2020, 11:44:15 pm »
BTW there are some publications on that topic
this is one of the first results I found with a quick search:
The Effects of Temperature and Relative Humidity on the Viability of the SARS Coronavirus
Interesting study. 2-3weeks at temperatures and humidity typical for air-conditioned environment.
In lower temperatures even more.
So I would rather cleanup my pcbs coming from China with IPA..
PS: Some experts say viruses could survive in space for X million years (at -273C).
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2020, 12:14:05 am »
Technically it's probably possible, but the chances of it happening to you are so low that it's not even worth thinking about. People freak out about these superbugs that hit the news every year but don't even think about the fact that in the USA alone for example 20,000 people die every year from the plain old boring seasonal flu. It absolutely dwarfs the number infected by the scary super diseases.

Wash your hands often, avoid touching your face, if you are sick stay home. So often I see people coming to work while coughing and sneezing all over and pretty soon the whole office is infected, this is what you should worry about, not some freak incident where you pick up a live virus from a package you receive in the mail.
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2020, 02:05:25 am »
The number has gone up. So far (GMT+8, morning), we have 324 confirmed infected in China (including HK, Taiwan, excluding suspected cases), and 5 confirmed cases abroad in US, Thailand, Japan and Korea, and 8 suspected infected in Singapore and AU. Death toll remained at 6.

The incubation period has been determined as 7 days.
 
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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2020, 03:10:41 am »
Now it is 440+9.
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2020, 03:37:35 am »
Funny I was thinking about this too the other day.  Not just ebay packages but even products you buy in stores.  All made in China and handled by Chinese who could potentially be infected.

I wonder if the extreme cold inside transport trucks, courier vans etc while it's in transit can kill the virus or does it just go dormant?
 

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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2020, 03:52:05 am »
No need to freak out about hyped-up "superbugs", the more common bugs are scary enough, which is why prevention is essential.
Coxackie for example. Common, minor symptoms, highly infective, catch the wrong subtype and end up dead or severely disabled if you don't stay in bed for a month for what feels like a common cold.
Or FSME - one tick-bite to likely impair you for life.

PS: Some experts say viruses could survive in space for X million years (at -273C).
Definitely not when exposed to unfiltered solar radiation for more than an hour. It also depends where in Space you want them to start out. LEO is pretty deadly due to the oxygen radicals, and even beyond Earth's atmosphere, at this distance from the Sun, the equilibrium temperature of an object would be at about -2 °C...
Uhm, yeah, I wanted to argue that point, but actually, it would be totally possible for most virions to survive for a long time in a purpose-built capsule, or even enclosed in something like a honeycomb panel in a satellite or space probe. The latter thing must've happened at some point, many AIT cleanrooms don't require any mouth protection.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2020, 04:29:47 am »
Funny I was thinking about this too the other day.  Not just ebay packages but even products you buy in stores.  All made in China and handled by Chinese who could potentially be infected.

I wonder if the extreme cold inside transport trucks, courier vans etc while it's in transit can kill the virus or does it just go dormant?

So far, all infected cases, rest of a very few secondary infection cases, are people with direct connection with Wuhan, either being from there, or being traveled there recently.

This means the virus is certainly contagious, but no evidence suggests this is strongly contagious. Only people being exposed to lots of the spores for a long time have been infected.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2020, 07:34:39 am »
Just in case I don't let my baby boy play with the package and put it in his mouth.  ;D

Ebola was the same from this aspect that it was hard to be judged whether it is as dangerous as the news said.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2020, 07:47:41 am »
Uhm, yeah, I wanted to argue that point, but actually, it would be totally possible for most virions to survive for a long time in a purpose-built capsule, or even enclosed in something like a honeycomb panel in a satellite or space probe.
It could be the life on our planed "came" from outer space in form of viruses. Virus is a bunch of chemicals in form and composition similar to the stuff inside a living cell.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2020, 10:05:27 am »

If the total chinese population copped it there would be no more Chinese left to make all those lovely cheap chinese products.


..and no more chenglish instructions to decipher and toss coins   :(

Some other impoverished nation's leader would put their hand up to undercut realistic pricings
and produce suss equipment for peanut shells,
then slack off on the assembly line hygiene   :scared:





 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2020, 05:40:26 pm »
Technically it's probably possible, but the chances of it happening to you are so low that it's not even worth thinking about. People freak out about these superbugs that hit the news every year but don't even think about the fact that in the USA alone for example 20,000 people die every year from the plain old boring seasonal flu. It absolutely dwarfs the number infected by the scary super diseases.

most of "ordinary" flue deaths occur in people weakened by old age or disease
problems arise from the resurgence of old viral strains or the birth of a new one
in that case even young, healthy people may be affected and die

in any case the death toll due to pollution (particulate matter, soot, etc) is even worse
unfortunately nobody cares
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2020, 05:55:58 pm »
It could be the life on our planed "came" from outer space in form of viruses. Virus is a bunch of chemicals in form and composition similar to the stuff inside a living cell.

no way
bacteria are more resistant (see Deinococcus radiodurans) and virus, even the giant ones, discovered in the last decade, can live just as parasite of other cells (prokaryotes or eukaryotes)

viruses are genetic code (either RNA or DNA) surrounded by a shell (capsid) and they use the infected cell machinery to replicate themselves

giant viruses, discovered few years ago, are larger and have more genes than some bacteria, but as far as I can remember they are yet just parasite
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2020, 07:05:48 pm »
By the end of 22nd, China has 544 confirmed cases with 17 casualties. All casualties were in Wuhan and surrounding cities.
Australian suspected cases are now proven to be false alarm.
 

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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2020, 10:08:15 pm »
Your body basically a vessel for bacteria!
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2020, 03:56:06 am »
By the end of 22nd, China has 544 confirmed cases with 17 casualties. All casualties were in Wuhan and surrounding cities.
Australian suspected cases are now proven to be false alarm.

Center for CDC (U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) saids this is a new virus - it is not SARS-CoV, or MER-CoV (South Korea outbreak, 2015).  CDC is calling it "2019-nCoV" at least for now.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html

In so far as info I can find now, MER-CoV [R0 is around 8] is more infectious than SAR-CoV [R0 is 2 to 5].    Important to note that more infectious means infects more people faster - it does not mean more deadly.

I cannot find any R0 value published for 2019-nCoV - perhaps not enough to evaluate that yet.   Anyone found that anywhere yet?

In the absence of "official" estimate of how quickily this will spread, BlueSkull, please keep the count coming...
 

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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2020, 04:09:51 am »
In so far as info I can find now, MER-CoV [R0 is around 8] is more infectious than SAR-CoV [R0 is 2 to 5].    Important to note that more infectious means infects more people faster - it does not mean more deadly.

So far, WHO states 3rd generation transmission has NOT been found (the chain stops at animal-human1 and human1-human2).

In the absence of "official" estimate of how quickily this will spread, BlueSkull, please keep the count coming...

So far (23rd morning, GMT+8), 571 cases have been confirmed, with 17 deaths. All deaths are in Wuhan and surrounding cities, most being elderly (one 48 yo female, one 53 yo male, all others are 60+, with 13 male and 2 female), most have existing disease that can progress to kill when disturbed.

Also, most infected cases are 50+, with very few younger cases. A few dozens with less symptoms have been cured, and one critical case has been cured using ECMO supportive treatment. So far, there's no specific treatment methods for this disease, and it all boils down to supportive treatment and hope the human body can treat itself.

The city Wuhan has been "sealed", as no public transportation will be operating starting from today 10AM, no airplanes, no railway and no buses, not even metro. For people really have to leave, driving is the only option, and everyone and every car has to be screened for symptoms and wild animals.
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2020, 06:22:16 am »
This looks like a place to let the WHO do the worrying, although a roughly 3% fatality rate is really high compared to common viral infections like the flu.  Even if the deaths are currently confined to the elderly/compromised.  If this stuff spread widely and remained roughly constant in lethality it would make a noticeable dent in world population.

The standard rules for safety apply.  Don't lick the packages or the boards.  Wash your hands.  Avoid hand to mouth contact.
 
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2020, 07:06:39 am »
According to the Simpsons, yes:

Homer: Kids, there's three ways to do things; the right way, the wrong way and the Max Power way!
Bart: Isn't that the wrong way?
Homer: Yeah, but faster!
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2020, 02:24:57 pm »
The city Wuhan has been "sealed", as no public transportation will be operating starting from today 10AM, no airplanes, no railway and no buses, not even metro. For people really have to leave, driving is the only option, and everyone and every car has to be screened for symptoms and wild animals.

Extermination of population begins at 11:00.. Replacement population arrives 18:00. All guards recommended to disinfect hands after termination.



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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2020, 10:22:01 pm »
So far, WHO states 3rd generation transmission has NOT been found (the chain stops at animal-human1 and human1-human2).

You'd think if it could go human -> human once it would be possible to do it multiple times, but I assume thats not the case.

I can get if its animal -> human though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2020, 10:41:22 pm »
Do not eat snakes :)
The snakes eat the bats.
The bats are infected with that virus.. People say..
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2020, 06:35:11 am »
Your body basically a vessel for bacteria!
bacteria are just a part of that...
for more information on the subject
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2020, 10:15:48 pm »
Bill Gates (same dude who took out patents to chemspray the entire planet sky as means to shade of the planet
from the sun to save planet from climate change as he once said) now scrambling for creation of a DNA vaccine
for Coronavirus nCoV-2019.

High security patogen lab (level4) located in Wuhan! Scientist worried dangerous virus escaping from this lab!
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

CEPI (funded by Gates) Grants INOVIO $9M To Develop Vaccine Against Coronavirus nCoV-2019
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