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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2020, 10:46:41 pm »
We all consume far too much. If the virus morphs into a high fatality rate pandemic, killing off 50% of the world's population indiscriminately and randomly might be a good thing overall. It is now 100 seconds to midnight on the doomsday clock, mainly due to the reckless USA and Russia with their nuclear arms proliferation, and of course climate change. Maybe if 50% of the worlds population was killed off with a virus over a year, the hands of the clock would move back because there would be less consumption. Assassinating those Presidents who build up nuclear weapons under their watch is another way to move the hands back.
 
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« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2020, 12:37:07 am »
Corna now in Chicago.


Excavators shuffling soil to build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days or.....one heck of big mass burial burn ditch!
With Xi in power who knows..

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2020, 01:51:23 am »
Oh no, not the doomsday clock! Political sham controlled by... People. They should trash the whole idea because the only time it'll actually be relevant is midnight and then it doesn't matter.
 

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« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2020, 04:29:09 am »
Couple of packages from China arrived this morning.

My wife refused to touch them  :wtf: so I guess the scare mongers have won with their mis-information scare tactics. I just grabbed the packages and opened them on the dinning room table  8)
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2020, 04:33:29 am »
So far, WHO states 3rd generation transmission has NOT been found (the chain stops at animal-human1 and human1-human2).

You'd think if it could go human -> human once it would be possible to do it multiple times, but I assume thats not the case.

I can get if its animal -> human though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis

The fact that it has not yet been verified an confirmed does not mean that it does not exist or can not exist.

It is sad that outside of china most of peoples get most of information and disinformation from business media who do all for money and only for it.  In china one big problem is that chinese looks like watching all from social media Wchat etc where who ever idiot can say nearly what ever wrong informnation.... it is full surprice that most do not even know that there is nearly all real knowledge and data available from official sources, but peoples still live like 80,s china exept wechat etc. Rumors from mouth to mouth more than real knowkedge and today more fast and wide than older times what make all even more danger. Even when this country is perhaps worlds most highly digitalized lot of peoples do not use it to nothing but fun it feels here nearly paradoxal.
Here we can watch official public data and information what can easy find from every area web sides. Also authorities have several ready plans and backround ready made arrangements for example ready designed "green" roadways for emergency logistics if needed they are ready in minutes or hours after trigger.
Fun is that in this country if you know and can read and know how to find info here can find nearly everything. Nearly all is in internet. Sad that foreign journalists are so lazy. But of course one make news and others copypaste all over western world and then we surprice who develop these all panic and afraids.

Of course here govement reaction for this virus is hard and strong and fast because no one want repeat this total sum of fails and mistakes what happen here with well known SARS when nearly all goes wrong due to authorities make mistakes nearly in all.
Also we do not know yet enough about this virus so better do more than less. Also there small afraid that if it change after start human-human infection after bat(?) to human.

No one have any real estimation about total infections. So estimated real mortality can not say at all. Of course deads/confirmed infections alone is wrong number.  At this time data is too low. Only what is known is amount of really confirmed cases. Also nearly all deaths are confirmed. Because symptoms can be very mild also without fever these cases do not go to doctor at all.  Government want as many as possible goes for keep this in hand and this is why it is well informed that if patient have this infection all is free for patients. (normally here need money if go to doctor and quite lot if need hospitalize).

Keep fun, seasonal A or B flu is more danger specially seasons when virus have changed more.

Independent of this it is very good to do hard things for attenuate this now because no one know how it continue and if bad happen it is too late to start stop it.

Very sad situation for Wuhan area where peoples living is highly affected but lets hope they still can follow orders and think responsibly and not like this one chinese total idiot who escape to France deceiving authorities who do very important work.

Also bit difficult to understand this Wuhan animal wholesale market place why they accept totally forbidden business and how lot of peoples see and know this and no one do anything until bad happens. Lets hope also this is some kind of teacher...  do not accept illegal food and medical/medicine business or hardly breaking important rules even if you do not understand all reasons for these. They, rules and law,  are not for nothing, even when "sky is high and caesar is far away". 

Worst what now can do is spreading disinformation!
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2020, 09:25:41 am »
Google  - Einstein filthy obtuse.
Einstein was a very smart guy in many many ways!
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2020, 09:57:29 am »
Ordovician–Silurian extinction event
Late Devonian extinction event
Permian–Triassic extinction event
Triassic–Jurassic extinction event
Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event
Holocene-Wuhan extinction event
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2020, 11:20:54 am »
Oh no, not the doomsday clock! Political sham controlled by... People. They should trash the whole idea because the only time it'll actually be relevant is midnight and then it doesn't matter.

Wrong, it is not politically controlled. It is controlled by a team of top scientists who are at least an order of magnitude brighter than the average politician. Who would you trust - the opinion of a team of well informed top scientists, or a bunch of politicians? In spite of the Doomsday clock's history, 1983 was the closest to a real doomsday event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident.

We are now the closest to self-inflicted annihilation than ever https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/.

Nuclear proliferation is far more dangerous than this Wuhan virus. We can protect ourselves from a virus to some extent, but we cannot protect ourselves in the event of a nuclear winter in which case there won't be a problem with eBay packages being contaminated because there will be no eBay. If fact, there will be no record eBay ever existed other than an occasional mention in some books that maybe Henry Bemis might be able to read about assuming his specs are not broken.
 


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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2020, 10:10:22 pm »
Inside info from Serpenza (wife Chinese and doctor) and Cmilk with 14 years living in China.
Short phrase repeats from video:
Claims virus spread much worse then gov reports. Includes videos of people collapsing inside hospital with personal in hazmat suits rushing around while ordinary bystanders/patients watching in masks. Masks sold out. Quarantine a fiasco, 200 000 drivers with cars full of people escaped Wuhan. Chinese steal motorcycles to get home after moon party due to no money.Wet markets disgusting, disease pools, medieval behavior, live turtles, cat, dogs, rats, snakes for direct slaughter to take home and cook, no control, no license handling meat and vegetables. Journalists who try to report on virus spread arrested

And now the market report: Prepper Inc and Wallmart up while Walt Disney Co down.

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2020, 12:29:04 am »
This virus is becoming a comedy of errors. It takes over a week for symptoms to appear once infected. The Australian government let the passengers who don't have symptoms off the aeroplanes from Wuhan rather than quarantining the lot of them for a few weeks and now they are scrambling - a bit late, isn't it? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-26/australian-health-officials-race-to-trace-airline-passengers-wh/11901274

On a lighter note, if the stores run out of face masks, you can always buy a half a bra and ask for 50% off :-DD.
 

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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2020, 03:52:11 am »
Excavators shuffling soil to build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days

China has done that in Beijing before during SARS.

or.....one heck of big mass burial burn ditch!
With Xi in power who knows..

Brilliant, with eyes of the world watching. He must really want to lose his reign.

Inside info from Serpenza (wife Chinese and doctor) and Cmilk with 14 years living in China.

That's where you get info about China, brilliant.

This virus is becoming a comedy of errors. It takes over a week for symptoms to appear once infected. The Australian government let the passengers who don't have symptoms off the aeroplanes from Wuhan rather than quarantining the lot of them for a few weeks and now they are scrambling - a bit late, isn't it?

It's always easier to make decisions on old cases from the future.
 

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« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2020, 04:05:15 am »
China has done that in Beijing before during SARS.
Eh? And? odd that SARS seams to come from the same place! perhaps time to check that Level 4 lab routines, just to make sure?

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Brilliant, with eyes of the world watching. He must really want to lose his reign.
Previously you wanted to replace Xi and gang? Not enough balls or something.

Expected deaths in 2 weeks 250 000 , what use is 1000 seat hospital?
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/how-china-hiding-true-number-coronavirus-deaths

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That's where you get info about China, brilliant.
Not my fault you dont like him. I just try to get info from every source thats not fake news or
China Gov! Where do you get your info from?
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Re: Pneumonia virus in China - Can Ebay packages be infected?
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2020, 04:49:12 am »
Wuhan has the highest level biosafety research lab BSL-4, in the entire country. It's a few miles from the seafood market. I doubt it was bat soup, more likely... something escaped confinement. The lab has some pretty scary stuff.
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

Canada charged chinese researchers with smuggling out Ebola and SARS:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/winnipeg-researcher-charged-with-smuggling-ebola-material-into-u-s-1.774725
 

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« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2020, 05:02:47 am »
Convenient time & period to bash everything about China.

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« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2020, 05:45:26 am »


I'm not bashing - just pointing out the nearby BSL-4 lab and accumulation there of the most dangerous pathogens in the world. Hopefully not a bioweapons research center.
In a few weeks we'll know what's state propaganda and if this absolutely incredible lockdown and quarantining is effective. I'm not sure how the cities are to function, for food, any medical treatments.
It doesn't look good at all, as this Wuhan gent's plea for help is really disheartening.
 

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« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2020, 06:04:27 am »
Yep, agree with what you "want to believe"  :-+, their crazy gov used the whole city as an experiment for their bio-weapon, and their leaders eat baby for breakfast.

And I strongly "BELIEVE" they used this as part of the population control.  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2020, 07:46:09 am »
For the last day or two I've been writing down the number of cases in the WHO Situation Reports as they are releases (see https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/ ).

Cases are doubling every two days (about +45% per day). Given that the time from exposure to presentation is a little over a week, the trend makes it look like there will be 24x more cases (48,000) this time next week.

Based on this it is pretty easy to take a guess of around 3,000 cases will be reported in SitRep 6.

I really hope it isn't that bad...
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« Reply #68 on: January 26, 2020, 07:59:46 am »
Previously you wanted to replace Xi and gang? Not enough balls or something.

I've been always striving for finding an alternate political system and grant people of the world freedom of choosing between the Western system and something else.
I will lose faith in Xi if he ever attempts to be Yeltsin, not now.

Not my fault you dont like him. I just try to get info from every source thats not fake news or
China Gov! Where do you get your info from?

I have absolute faith in Chinese government. I also have other sources of news, all pro-China, like Singaporean CNA, Russian RT among others.
I have more faith in Iranian news outlets than Western news outlets.

It doesn't look good at all, as this Wuhan gent's plea for help is really disheartening.

He provided no evidence of anything he said. That's why abolishing free speech is an absolutely brilliant idea.
Everything HAS TO BE SUBSTANTIATED or you should be tossed to jail for spreading fake news.

I'm not bashing - just pointing out the nearby BSL-4 lab and accumulation there of the most dangerous pathogens in the world. Hopefully not a bioweapons research center.

And there's still no evidence. Considering many victims are Chinese, I'd rather believe it's the West attacking China, and that would also be BS since I can't substantiate it either.
 
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« Reply #69 on: January 26, 2020, 08:18:50 am »
Expected deaths in 2 weeks 250 000 , what use is 1000 seat hospital?
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/how-china-hiding-true-number-coronavirus-deaths

Which is bullshit.

A. All sources are without verification, e.g. confirmation from governments or governmental organisations like WHO, or concrete evidences.
B. Method of journalism is not approved and is illegal. Foreign journalists are not allowed to interview Chinese citizens without a license, and AFAIK WSJ, which is where they quote, is not legal in China.
C. Content is biased. Comments such as "Comically, China has said it would hold officials accountable for any delays or omissions in reporting cases: so far such threats appear to have had precisely zero impact on anyone." is highly unprofessional and subjectively biased.
D. The compound growth rate is not sustainable, as effective medicine is found (some HIV cocktail drugs). Which means mortality rate will drops drastically, and transmission rate will also drop.
E. Basic number mistake. Like the 56 million lock down quarantine number, which is almost 6x the population of Wuhan. So far, only Wuhan and a few surrounding cities are locked down per official report.
F. ZeroHedge is known to publish biased, non-government approved, and conspiracy-related articles, and have been criticized by many better established news outlets like CNN, NBC, NY Times, Bloomberg and Facebook.
 

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« Reply #71 on: January 26, 2020, 09:26:00 am »
Wuhan has the highest level biosafety research lab BSL-4, in the entire country. It's a few miles from the seafood market. I doubt it was bat soup, more likely... something escaped confinement. The lab has some pretty scary stuff.

Pardon me, but that is one of the more stupid conspiracy theories I have come across recently. Chemtrails, anyone?
 

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« Reply #72 on: January 26, 2020, 09:40:05 am »
wuhan-coronavirus live mapper from johns hopkins university
 
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

It's pretty well updated, but still a bit behind.

Latest data as of 17:00 GMT+8 is 2031 in mainland China alone, with 56 casualties (with average age of 71).

US has just seen its 3rd patient.
 

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« Reply #73 on: January 26, 2020, 09:43:02 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level#List_of_BSL-4_facilities

And your point is?? Yes, there is a BSL-4 lab in Wuhan. There's also one right here, in Hamburg, and probably one in your home country. So?
 
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« Reply #74 on: January 26, 2020, 09:59:18 am »
Wuhan has the highest level biosafety research lab BSL-4, in the entire country. It's a few miles from the seafood market. I doubt it was bat soup, more likely... something escaped confinement. The lab has some pretty scary stuff.

Pardon me, but that is one of the more stupid conspiracy theories I have come across recently. Chemtrails, anyone?

LOL  as you can see, this is proof that even one capable of reasoning and thinking very logical in electronics field, once consumed by the hate or xenophobical, one can become stupid.  :-DD


@Blueskull,

I've been watching this thread, its funny, its kinda rare to see sympathetically post or prop to your people/country, imagine if this happened to "other" country.  ::)

Just do not get provoked, I "strongly believe" there are few people here love to do that, and maybe they're hoping once you get provoked and exploded enough, you'll get banned, just because you're a born Chinese.

Personally I value many of your contributions in electronics fields in this forum, please stay that way.  :-+
 
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