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POLL: Any Interest in an EEVblog Mastodon server?
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JohanH:
Well, Germany has been criticized for certain things lately, but I wouldn't compare them with those countries.
ebastler:

--- Quote from: John B on November 24, 2022, 09:22:33 pm ---The German conception of "hate speech".
Laws against insulting people.
Laws providing the German government with control over social media to censor content.

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All of these are European Community laws/directives, so be careful where you put your server...

I read that Australia and New Zealand might not be the best choices either?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Australia
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nzs-hate-speech-laws-explained
AndyBeez:

--- Quote from: Jackster on November 24, 2022, 06:18:25 pm ---on't share how much you need as it is so varied on how many active users you have, how many connections to other server instances you have and what is being done on your instance.
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Thanks for the numbers. Rough back of envelope calculation > your spec hosted somewhere in Europe on an elastic platform, around €150/month? Plus any maintenance overheads. Ironic that for Masterdon to work 24-7 for it's users, it needs pushing to a third party platform; anything that's AWS is hardly decentralised. Concurrent user connections over a reliable CDN is the killer. How popular does an Instance need to get before it fails to scale? Explains why Twitter has it's own infrastructure.

Now maybe if instances came with a crypto mining opportunity...  ::) quit with the crypto
Jackster:

--- Quote from: AndyBeez on November 24, 2022, 10:09:44 pm ---Thanks for the numbers. Rough back of envelope calculation > your spec hosted somewhere in Europe on an elastic platform, around €150/month? Plus any maintenance overheads. Ironic that for Masterdon to work 24-7 for it's users, it needs pushing to a third party platform; anything that's AWS is hardly decentralised. Concurrent user connections over a reliable CDN is the killer. How popular does an Instance need to get before it fails to scale? Explains why Twitter has it's own infrastructure.

Now maybe if instances came with a crypto mining opportunity...  ::) quit with the crypto

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About 100 Euros a month via Hetzner on their Cloud servers.
Could do it for less on one of their dedi servers such as an AX41-NVME (not great to use a single server) but at the time, we scaled as we needed on their Cloud.

As for decentralization, it is not about being data center/infrastructure decentralized.
It is about not being on a single platform with a single owner such as Twitter or Facebook. Who in this day and age have a stronghold on this style of communication.
Mastodon, while having some level of control, allows one to move freely between servers or set up their own server. You can't do either of those two things and still communicate with others on Twitter/Face.

Note, "S3" is used for any service that supports the API. I don't touch AWS as it is way overpriced for the level of service you get. Which is basically zero unless you pay for it.
You can also deploy your own S3 compatible storage if you want to be "decentralized" but that data is still sitting somewhere. It is not P2P social networking.

The software scales quite well. You can scale each part of the stack with ease. Postgresql is probably the only one that requires a lot of work to do right at a large scale.
But SQL also scales well horizontally so you only have to do multiple servers if you have a loooot of users.

I don't think Mastodon will scale to Twitter's level of users and Tweets per hour but it is not designed for that sort of user load.
artag:

--- Quote from: Jackster on November 24, 2022, 10:55:40 pm ---I don't think Mastodon will scale to Twitter's level of users and Tweets per hour but it is not designed for that sort of user load.

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Seems like it would scale pretty well if every instance is a different server.
Or is there some central tie that has to scale with the whole network ?

About half my twitter follows have started either dual posting or moved completely to mastodon. There are a handful of holdouts but it's looking like I'll soon only want to read twitter for corporate postings, if at all. Musk seems to be trying hard to lose his money. It probably won't collapse, but for me, with interests mostly in tech and makering, I see it getting irrelevant pretty fast.

 
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