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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #100 on: October 13, 2022, 03:52:43 am »
Interesting to see how it is outside Yankee territory. Here is my 200amp service, pretty much filled up. Once I get a pic of my network setup, I'll start a similar topic on that!!

This one is totally filled to the brim. Having a subpanel installed is not an option?

Think it will be a requirement soon  :)

Probably you can even be able to migrate some circuits from the main service to the subpanel.
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2022, 12:14:42 pm »
An installation in a three bedroom house in Ireland from around 2006.

 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2022, 12:45:49 pm »
An installation in a three bedroom house in Ireland from around 2006.

I see some copper being shown in some neutrals and PEs.

Next EICR that's a note in the report, although most sparkies normally tight them up correctly and don't put anything in the report.

Sorry that's my area of trade (Industrial EE), I don't want to sound as a snob.
 
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2022, 01:21:04 pm »
It's pretty difficult not to show any copper on the PE bar unless you spend ages trimming the slide-on sleeving perfectly to length. As for those thick neutrals, they look pre-terminated (as supplied with the CU), there's really nothing you can do about that unless you cut off the terminations and add your own ferrules. Most CUs have exposed Neutral and PE bars anyway. With those enclosed ones, you can't judge how far past the screws the conductors are actually inserted (quite a way looking at the Neutral crimps)
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2022, 01:24:12 pm »

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Next EICR that's a note in the report, although most sparkies normally tight them up correctly and don't put anything in the report.
A bigger breach of the regs is the bit of earth sleeving being use on the low voltage wires on the bottom of the meter,green/yellow is reserved for earth and only earth
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #105 on: October 14, 2022, 01:24:21 pm »
A little copper on show is hardly a big issue - actually, it's reassuring to see the insulation isn't up under the screw..
 
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #106 on: October 15, 2022, 01:13:09 am »
It's pretty difficult not to show any copper on the PE bar unless you spend ages trimming the slide-on sleeving perfectly to length. As for those thick neutrals, they look pre-terminated (as supplied with the CU), there's really nothing you can do about that unless you cut off the terminations and add your own ferrules. Most CUs have exposed Neutral and PE bars anyway. With those enclosed ones, you can't judge how far past the screws the conductors are actually inserted (quite a way looking at the Neutral crimps)

They don't look like sleeved PE but wire already sold with the PE insulation, the same as you buy brown, black, red and blue insulated wire.

A bigger breach of the regs is the bit of earth sleeving being use on the low voltage wires on the bottom of the meter,green/yellow is reserved for earth and only earth

Good eye. Yes way worse.
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2022, 01:15:01 am »
It's pretty difficult not to show any copper on the PE bar unless you spend ages trimming the slide-on sleeving perfectly to length. As for those thick neutrals, they look pre-terminated (as supplied with the CU), there's really nothing you can do about that unless you cut off the terminations and add your own ferrules. Most CUs have exposed Neutral and PE bars anyway. With those enclosed ones, you can't judge how far past the screws the conductors are actually inserted (quite a way looking at the Neutral crimps)

They don't look like sleeved PE but wire already sold with the PE insulation, the same as you buy brown, black, red and blue insulated wire.

No, they're sleeved - you can tell from the way it bunches. That and you can see the bare cable in the back..
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2022, 01:32:36 am »
It's pretty difficult not to show any copper on the PE bar unless you spend ages trimming the slide-on sleeving perfectly to length. As for those thick neutrals, they look pre-terminated (as supplied with the CU), there's really nothing you can do about that unless you cut off the terminations and add your own ferrules. Most CUs have exposed Neutral and PE bars anyway. With those enclosed ones, you can't judge how far past the screws the conductors are actually inserted (quite a way looking at the Neutral crimps)

They don't look like sleeved PE but wire already sold with the PE insulation, the same as you buy brown, black, red and blue insulated wire.

No, they're sleeved - you can tell from the way it bunches. That and you can see the bare cable in the back..

OK I should had explained better, I'm talking about the 2 thick one on the top right most. The sleeved ones as you said only one you see the copper, the first one. The others are ok, nothing to say.

But whatever I'm just being picky. I try not to leave that much copper being shown, normally less than 2mm from the terminal, enough to see that I'm not pitching the insulation with the terminal screw, if it's not feruded.

Also I never used bare copper with PE insulation, the instalations I've done was always Pre insulated PE cable - solid or stranded. Although I know is somewhat common in the US/JPN/UK instalations.

When I need to, I use the normal 3M insulation tape for identification above the insulation
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2022, 03:23:14 am »
Pictures of my 200 amp 230 volt breaker panel in rural USA where the meter is outside in a separate enclosure. 
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That's one neatly labeled panel! 
 
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2022, 06:56:56 am »
Pictures of my 200 amp 230 volt breaker panel in rural USA where the meter is outside in a separate enclosure. 
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That's one neatly labeled panel!

There's no excuse in this day and age of cheap label printers to not have a neatly labelled panel.



That isn't one of mine, mine are slightly neater... but it gives you the general idea of how we do it. With a Brother printer, and not a Dymo one, of course...


EDIT: That was halfway through the project, it has about 3/4 of the ways used now, and the apprentices that variously had their hands in labelling it didn't get all the labels straight, and layered some of them because they couldn't get the spacing right.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2022, 08:28:30 am »
Also I never used bare copper with PE insulation, the instalations I've done was always Pre insulated PE cable - solid or stranded. Although I know is somewhat common in the US/JPN/UK instalations.

I think this is probaby a geographical confusion. Maybe your wiring systems in HK use conduit and single conductors. In the UK, and as far as I'm aware continental Europe we use T&E cables (Twin and Earth) these oval section cables have double insulated Line and Neutral conductors with a bare PE core all molded into the PVC outer cover. When stripped, you have insulated and colour coded L and N cores and a bare PE, which you have to slip sleeving over. It is unavoidable in consumer installations.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2022, 09:17:46 am »
Also I never used bare copper with PE insulation, the instalations I've done was always Pre insulated PE cable - solid or stranded. Although I know is somewhat common in the US/JPN/UK instalations.

I think this is probaby a geographical confusion. Maybe your wiring systems in HK use conduit and single conductors. In the UK, and as far as I'm aware continental Europe we use T&E cables (Twin and Earth) these oval section cables have double insulated Line and Neutral conductors with a bare PE core all molded into the PVC outer cover. When stripped, you have insulated and colour coded L and N cores and a bare PE, which you have to slip sleeving over. It is unavoidable in consumer installations.

Not in Portugal, my country, since the 80s. Conduit inside the wall and singles. Same in China, Hong Kong, Macau (this last 2 new Instalations, old ones use the UK standard, so as you say, including in Hong Kong Ring circuits) and Germany from what I saw and done.

Here's an example in Germany:
https://youtu.be/83Mdnc7FyVY

Norway:
https://youtu.be/Js5ny1JcDLs

In China:
https://youtu.be/oPo6MyArMQ8

It's exactly the same in Portugal for newer Instalations, if the conduit is outside the wall can be singles or outer pvc jacket with inside individual singles, or if it's inside it will be singles already insulated.

Even if a cable is to be crimped to the wall it will be  3 individual conductors already with their correct colour sleeve in a outer protective jacket.

As I told bare earth copper that you later sleeved only saw in UK, US and Japan.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2022, 09:26:25 am »
We may never know the exact number of fatalities caused by those 10 inches of green and yellow sleeving to date, only that the sooner we start doing EICRs in this country the sooner the slaughter can be halted.

 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2022, 10:42:05 am »
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With a Brother printer, and not a Dymo one, of course...

Is there a practical difference?
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2022, 12:33:46 pm »
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With a Brother printer, and not a Dymo one, of course...

Is there a practical difference?

Yes, Brother printers don't have DRM, so you can use cheaper third party tapes.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2022, 12:36:09 pm »
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bare earth copper that you later sleeved only saw in UK,
For how much longer as theres murmurings of us following the Irish and having the earth conductor in twin + earth  insulated.
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2022, 01:26:27 pm »
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bare earth copper that you later sleeved only saw in UK,
For how much longer as theres murmurings of us following the Irish and having the earth conductor in twin + earth  insulated.

If they bring back stranded tinned copper to justify the inevitable price hike I might be okay with that. But really, I don't see why they need to do it at all.
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2022, 01:34:54 pm »
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bare earth copper that you later sleeved only saw in UK,
For how much longer as theres murmurings of us following the Irish and having the earth conductor in twin + earth  insulated.

If they bring back stranded tinned copper to justify the inevitable price hike I might be okay with that. But really, I don't see why they need to do it at all.

So that they can pad their wallets with another amendment?
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2022, 01:35:41 pm »
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bare earth copper that you later sleeved only saw in UK,
For how much longer as theres murmurings of us following the Irish and having the earth conductor in twin + earth  insulated.

If they bring back stranded tinned copper to justify the inevitable price hike I might be okay with that. But really, I don't see why they need to do it at all.

So that they can pad their wallets with another amendment?

What, AFDDs used in the places least likely to need them aren't enough?
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #120 on: October 15, 2022, 01:49:11 pm »
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With a Brother printer, and not a Dymo one, of course...

Is there a practical difference?

Yes, Brother printers don't have DRM, so you can use cheaper third party tapes.

Ah! Good point, yes. Fortunately my Dymo's are too old for that stuff :)
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #121 on: October 15, 2022, 03:44:43 pm »
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So that they can pad their wallets with another amendment?
no no,amendments dont cost anything and we've had 2  of them already ,so its time to let them put there hands in our pockets again for the 19th edition,much more to be made from a new regs book,on site guide, and of course  the exam.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #122 on: October 15, 2022, 04:40:14 pm »
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bare earth copper that you later sleeved only saw in UK,
For how much longer as theres murmurings of us following the Irish and having the earth conductor in twin + earth  insulated.

If they bring back stranded tinned copper to justify the inevitable price hike I might be okay with that. But really, I don't see why they need to do it at all.

So that they can pad their wallets with another amendment?

What, AFDDs used in the places least likely to need them aren't enough?

More is always more...  >.>
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2022, 08:35:39 pm »
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With a Brother printer, and not a Dymo one, of course...

Is there a practical difference?
I like to use my Brother label makers with the computer interface to make long strings of labels that reduce waste of the expensive label material.  Also the program allows me to copy, paste and edit individual parts of the string of labels saving a lot of time.
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #124 on: October 15, 2022, 09:06:41 pm »
The Dymo does that too (well, I guess it depends on the model) but as AVGResponging notes, the Dymo is crippled with lockin-ware nowadays, and that deals it the death blow.
 


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