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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #125 on: October 16, 2022, 01:04:44 am »
My Dymo which was bought before we knew about the shitcanery but prolly still possesses it, works OK but the tape doesn't like to stick to cat5. Well it does for a while. Annoying when you find them all laying on the floor.  >:(
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #126 on: October 16, 2022, 02:08:27 am »
I was looking for label makers back in 2018 and wanted the Brother PT-E550.

A friend's company has gone bust and he gave me a new Dyno XTL300 he had in the warehouse as a spare. I could not say no.

Their cable wrap tags are very good in terms of staying on the cables but too expensive. Don't know if that model have compatible tapes other than the Dymo official ones since I left it in Portugal before moving.

Currently when I have a work that needs labels I just rent one via Taobao, it includes the tapes I will use (I say what tapes I need) and return it after the work is done, while I can keep the tapes I didn't use fully (the ones I return unopen I get a refund of part the rental price).

Then next time I just rent the label if the tapes I need are the ones I have and finish them. Although I want to buy this time the Brother I was looking before.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #127 on: October 16, 2022, 08:08:00 am »
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With a Brother printer, and not a Dymo one, of course...

Is there a practical difference?
I like to use my Brother label makers with the computer interface to make long strings of labels that reduce waste of the expensive label material.  Also the program allows me to copy, paste and edit individual parts of the string of labels saving a lot of time.

I save the offcuts for making handwritten/temporary labels.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #128 on: October 17, 2022, 04:23:35 am »
My Dymo which was bought before we knew about the shitcanery but prolly still possesses it, works OK but the tape doesn't like to stick to cat5. Well it does for a while. Annoying when you find them all laying on the floor.  >:(

I have yet to find a way to label small cables like cat5.  I have a Brother and even with that one the labels always fall off after a while, it's really annoying. 
 
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #129 on: October 17, 2022, 05:42:16 am »
EDIT: I most post some pics later

Are you guys installing your labels along the cables (axially) or wrapping them around the cables (hanging off a bit like a flag)?  I normally do the latter, it's uglier but it means the label adhesive is sticking to label adhesive, so it's much less likely to fall of.

You do however have to write the same thing twice on the same label, with spaces in between, so both sides of the flag have writing.  Aligning the flag isn't too hard once you have done it a few times (put the centre on the cable, align and stick the ends together, "push" the seal towards the cable, trim any slight mismatch on the ends with scissors).

EDIT: An axial alternative I have seen are printing small labels on standard paper, cutting them out and using clear heatshrink to hold the to the cable.  You can probably do this with existing label-making machine labels too.  Doesn't help if your CAT cables are pre-terminated however :(
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #130 on: October 17, 2022, 06:04:14 am »
EDIT: I most post some pics later

Are you guys installing your labels along the cables (axially) or wrapping them around the cables (hanging off a bit like a flag)?  I normally do the latter, it's uglier but it means the label adhesive is sticking to label adhesive, so it's much less likely to fall of.
Yes. I did that (the axial method, thanks for naming it). The flag method works but that was why I bought the DYMO because I had previously did that with white isulation tape and texta.

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You do however have to write the same thing twice on the same label, with spaces in between, so both sides of the flag have writing.  Aligning the flag isn't too hard once you have done it a few times (put the centre on the cable, align and stick the ends together, "push" the seal towards the cable, trim any slight mismatch on the ends with scissors).

EDIT: An axial alternative I have seen are printing small labels on standard paper, cutting them out and using clear heatshrink to hold the to the cable.  You can probably do this with existing label-making machine labels too.  Doesn't help if your CAT cables are pre-terminated however :(
Yeah I only have patch leads or non-mounted ethernet jacks. But the clear heatshrink is a good idea to install and save for later for the jack to jack connections.  :-+
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #131 on: October 17, 2022, 10:29:29 am »
The ones I use are the axially ones or "cable wrap". The Dymo and Brother original ones are strong but the cartridges are too expensive for the number of tags on them.

Brother -  https://www.amazon.com/Brother-Laminated-Flexible-Black-White/dp/B004ZMX7Y0

Dymo - https://www.amazon.com/DYMO-Laminated-Cable-Makers-1868705/dp/B0140YZCR2

The OEM cartridges the glue is not that good (talking about the Brother ones, didn't test the Dymo and don't even know if they have them).
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #132 on: October 17, 2022, 10:58:22 am »
My Dymo which was bought before we knew about the shitcanery but prolly still possesses it, works OK but the tape doesn't like to stick to cat5. Well it does for a while. Annoying when you find them all laying on the floor.  >:(

I have yet to find a way to label small cables like cat5.  I have a Brother and even with that one the labels always fall off after a while, it's really annoying.

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Edit: the picture isn't too clear (probably a stock image like in a thread hereabouts). There is an opaque part of the label you write on, then the rest of it is clear. So you wrap it around the wire starting with the opaque part and the clear part protects the bit you're written on whilst still leaving it visible. It's sticky, of course. I posted a photo of some network cabling in a thread hereabouts and if you look closely there are three or four cables with these labels (they come from somewhere other than the distribution board so need separate labeling to identify them). Those cables are roughly 20 years old, and although the ink is going a bit see-through now  but they are still identifiable.

Also got some Dymo labels that work on the same principle. Don't know how good they are - got the labels, ran out of cables that needed labeling.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #133 on: October 17, 2022, 03:32:37 pm »
A flat in Stockholm, built 2007.
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I'll post my Rome panel in some days, just for comparison.
And here I am.

Four measly breakers for 160 m2 apartment.
A "differenziale" (RCD) that acts also as main breaker.

The wiring is decent, considered also that before renovation both PE and the phases* were using G/Y wires  :palm:
This was wired and certified according to code by a licensed electrician.
As an additional consideration: the standard contract in Italy is 3 kW (+10% overdraw), on a single 230 V phase*, so not much point in having tons of sections...

*In vast areas of Rome, there's no neutral wire. Both wires are live - coming from conversions of old 110 V connections to 220 V  (just connect the neutral to another phase, and overvolt the transformer by ~15%).
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #134 on: October 17, 2022, 04:43:48 pm »
Not a fuse box I know, but not completely unrelated. This popped up in discord earlier, one can only hope that it's a joke...

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #135 on: October 17, 2022, 04:48:50 pm »
A flat in Stockholm, built 2007.
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I'll post my Rome panel in some days, just for comparison.
And here I am.

Four measly breakers for 160 m2 apartment.
A "differenziale" (RCD) that acts also as main breaker.

The wiring is decent, considered also that before renovation both PE and the phases* were using G/Y wires  :palm:
This was wired and certified according to code by a licensed electrician.
As an additional consideration: the standard contract in Italy is 3 kW (+10% overdraw), on a single 230 V phase*, so not much point in having tons of sections...

*In vast areas of Rome, there's no neutral wire. Both wires are live - coming from conversions of old 110 V connections to 220 V  (just connect the neutral to another phase, and overvolt the transformer by ~15%).

Looks like lipstick on a pig.. at least it doesn't have wallpaper and dry wood inside it?
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #136 on: October 17, 2022, 10:05:11 pm »
I'm kinda disappointed that they didn't use some self tapping screws to tap the line.  That way you don't even need to remove the insulation (TM).

I'd like to imagine that they wore thin disposable latex gloves whilst twisting those wires on (with at least one fingertip broken), but some of the small details make me suspect it was done intentionally as a joke (so probably fully disconnected for safety).  Not sure if the piece of paper in the background is a shell prompt or a smiley.

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #137 on: October 17, 2022, 11:55:06 pm »
I think it would have to have been done turned off since there is no way to thread the cables through the box without disconnecting them. Or remove the sleeve so neatly without access to the back.
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #138 on: October 18, 2022, 06:02:44 am »
They should have at least threw in an inline fuse in there for good measure.  :P
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #139 on: October 18, 2022, 06:59:50 am »
My Dymo which was bought before we knew about the shitcanery but prolly still possesses it, works OK but the tape doesn't like to stick to cat5. Well it does for a while. Annoying when you find them all laying on the floor.  >:(

If it is compatible with D1 cartridges, try the Nylon tape (Dymo S0718050 D1 16958). Works much better on cable (when used flag style) than the standard tapes (even the "permanent") tapes. Other types of cartridges might also have that type of label.
 
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #140 on: October 18, 2022, 07:21:36 am »
Looks like lipstick on a pig.. at least it doesn't have wallpaper and dry wood inside it?
Honest question: is that comment related to the Sweden panel?
If so, do you see them as important flaws?
I did not give much thought to the wallpaper finishing: it's -mostly-  under the panel cover "lips", and far from wiring and breakers, just an aesthetic thing.
As for the wood (quite a thick plank, about 2 cm): I imagine is up to code, and a convenient way to mount the breaker rail (not live as in US, just structural and connected to PE), but I am no expert.
One thing I noticed: the main breaker has a locking ring to slip in a tag or lock to prevent accidents.
In Sweden, anyhow, the range of things one can do to the wiring is extremely limited (more or less: just change a switch or a socket with an identical one).

Yes, the Italy panel is quite minimal, but even then the electrician managed to cross wire some sockets :-DD.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #141 on: October 18, 2022, 12:45:05 pm »
Looks like lipstick on a pig.. at least it doesn't have wallpaper and dry wood inside it?
Honest question: is that comment related to the Sweden panel?

Indeed. Or the latter half, anyway - the Swedish panel is at least quite neat and tidy, the Italian one could use some, uhm.. total replacement of everything, not just some shiny breakers shoved in it.

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If so, do you see them as important flaws?

Well, we moved away from wooden backed boards and then plastic because of flammability concerns. A loose terminal in there could start a nice smoldering fire which will happily carry on inside and outside the wall.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #142 on: October 18, 2022, 01:12:25 pm »
I had this thing in the house before I moved in. Now it's all ABB HAF stuff. Plus all the outlets have earth pins. Like something from this century.
Still I had actual horror when I saw the one in the apartment I rented before. There was a single 63A fuse for the entire house, and a GFCI. I told the landlord that the house is unfit for living, an needs to be fixed ASAP, which they did in like a week.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #143 on: October 18, 2022, 01:39:10 pm »
Here is an in-progress picture when installing an Iotawatt.  200A Siemens/ITE panel along with an off peak heat panel to the left.
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #144 on: October 18, 2022, 06:04:37 pm »
Here's one from my personal collection.....  A few weeks after we moved in to a previous house, we had some dimming in the lights in a couple rooms when using the vacuum cleaner.  While troubleshooting I had went through and changed some sketchy stab-in outlets thinking there might be issues there, but a few weeks later, the power in those rooms went completely out.    The reality was that the problem was in the main load center.    The panel was in an unconditioned attached garage where the previous owners had been venting their dryer.  I turns out that a lot of really cold metal (northern MN) causes a lot of condensation, which in turn causes oxidation and corrosion to the point where the one of the breakers had done a good job at arching away the buss bar tabs over time. 
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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #145 on: October 19, 2022, 04:08:13 pm »
Occasionally you see pics like the following. Will be interesting to see if someone from a country that doesn't appear to have standards and regulations posts what their fuse box looks like.



I lived in Brazil the major part of my life. Some places, I mean some "neighborhoods" (the poorer ones, principally the "favelas") you can find things like this.
I can't say with certain, but from my experience when you see a "pole" like that, means that 2 or 3 cables enter the house, and there isn't even the Fuse Box. Sometimes there is only the Main one at arrival, and all the house is connected to that.
Normally you would also find that in these cases the wires sections are very scary...
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #146 on: October 22, 2022, 05:12:49 am »
Here's one in a school we're building an extension for at the moment. Yes, the fuse carrier is completely missing, and yes, it is a live 3ph board.

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #147 on: October 22, 2022, 06:15:59 am »
It will be fine... Just don't stick anything inside...
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #148 on: January 24, 2023, 10:21:38 am »
Let's bring back this thread. I wanted to post it a few months back  :-DD
Here is the actual fuse box (that box on the pole). As it is required to have actual fuses before the main circuit breaker if something goes horribly wrong.
So there are NH fuses rated at about 2-3 times the circuit breaker current.
 

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Re: Post a picture of your Fuse Box
« Reply #149 on: January 24, 2023, 12:15:37 pm »
Polemount fuse boxes?  Wow I didn't know those were a thing.  I presume the underground goes to the houses?

At first I thought your picture showed the box in series with the overhead lines going left to right :D  I guess drop-out fuses have evolved into door-slam fuses now, a much more civilised way of ending an argument.


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