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Nominal Animal:

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--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 22, 2023, 04:34:43 am ---I said several times already that posting links in YT comments gets the comments removed automatically no matter what.

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So why on earth does posting the text of a link on YouTube automatically become a link rather than remain plain old text? Why does this facility exist?

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Selectively applying the rules is a perfect tool for shaping the narrative when so desired, that's why.

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I don't know about shaping the narrative as this wasn't a political thread
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I did not intend it as in support of any particular political movement, but as a general observation, based on history.

In other words, that regardless of whatever narrative the Youtube moderators or Youtube as a company wish to support while still claiming to have a neutral and fact-based attitude, selectively applying their own rules (and keeping the rules they do apply, vague) is the perfect tool.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on October 22, 2023, 10:10:08 pm ---In other words, that regardless of whatever narrative the Youtube moderators or Youtube as a company wish to support while still claiming to have a neutral and fact-based attitude, selectively applying their own rules (and keeping the rules they do apply, vague) is the perfect tool.

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Yep.

Now again, as to this particular question of links in comments on YT, I don't think they are doing anything selective here - at least I have no evidence of that. From all my experiments and these of a few other people, any link at all seems moderated immediately.

The fact that they allow posting links and showing them as clickable links in comments, while automatically removing comments with any, is not evidence that YT is doing anything selective.
It's just evidence that they failed to modify the code that generates the comments (which could have indeed just either make links non-clickable, or replace them with a mention such as "link removed, not allowed, see section xxx of the TOS"), leaving moderation entirely to an upper level of code which just removes comments altogether if they contain anything detected as violating some TOS rather than moderate comments and display them with moderation mentions.

The fact that they do not state this link-in-comments thing clearly anywhere (at least that I've read, if anyone finds that, please post) and lets people send comments with them while automatically removing the comment right afterwards may be, not particularly evidence that they are being selective, but possibly evidence that they do not want people to be aware of that restriction, so that they can gather thousands (possibly millions) of links posted by people all over the world and collecting that for various purposes.

In other words, by letting people posting links but removing the posts afterwards, rather than preventing them right off the bat (which would be very easy, just detect links when a user posts a comment, which is trivial to do, and display a message that links are not allowed, period.)

Finally and once again, if you still don't believe me about links, just try. Surely if they are indeed being selective rather than doing it for everyone, someone readind this is bound to manage to post links in a YT comment and have the comment stick for longer than a couple minutes.
langwadt:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 22, 2023, 10:32:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on October 22, 2023, 10:10:08 pm ---In other words, that regardless of whatever narrative the Youtube moderators or Youtube as a company wish to support while still claiming to have a neutral and fact-based attitude, selectively applying their own rules (and keeping the rules they do apply, vague) is the perfect tool.

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Yep.

Now again, as to this particular question of links in comments on YT, I don't think they are doing anything selective here - at least I have no evidence of that. From all my experiments and these of a few other people, any link at all seems moderated immediately.

The fact that they allow posting links and showing them as clickable links in comments, while automatically removing comments with any, is not evidence that YT is doing anything selective.
It's just evidence that they failed to modify the code that generates the comments (which could have indeed just either make links non-clickable, or replace them with a mention such as "link removed, not allowed, see section xxx of the TOS"), leaving moderation entirely to an upper level of code which just removes comments altogether if they contain anything detected as violating some TOS rather than moderate comments and display them with moderation mentions.

The fact that they do not state this link-in-comments thing clearly anywhere (at least that I've read, if anyone finds that, please post) and lets people send comments with them while automatically removing the comment right afterwards may be, not particularly evidence that they are being selective, but possibly evidence that they do not want people to be aware of that restriction, so that they can gather thousands (possibly millions) of links posted by people all over the world and collecting that for various purposes.

In other words, by letting people posting links but removing the posts afterwards, rather than preventing them right off the bat (which would be very easy, just detect links when a user posts a comment, which is trivial to do, and display a message that links are not allowed, period.)

Finally and once again, if you still don't believe me about links, just try. Surely if they are indeed being selective rather than doing it for everyone, someone readind this is bound to manage to post links in a YT comment and have the comment stick for longer than a couple minutes.

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I'm not sure YT removes them, but (maybe depending on creators setting) hide them after a manual review for the creator

I know I've posted comments with a link and gotten a response from the creator
raptor1956:
I don't think YT is doing anything nefarious here, rather they have a nail and the only tool they have is a sledge hammer.

As to flagging all posts with links .., um no!  Earlier on the same day (yesterday), in another video comment section, I posted a comment with supporting links that were not removed and as I said before, I've been including links for a long time. 

I'd also wondered if the page owner (Electric Viking) might be doing something or have a setting that triggers these actions but I'm unaware what settings he'd have used if they exist at all.  When this first happened yesterday I was convinced that the Electric Viking didn't like my post and flagged it as SPAM as the options for a channel to identify posts are limited to only a few things like SPAM so that gets selected a lot because there isn't another option that is better.  But, when I reposted 20 minutes or so later and discovered, almost immediately, that the post was gone and was quickly followed by the YT popup informing me of my timeout I realized it wasn't likely that the Electric Viking, or anyone working for him, would have so quickly done all that.


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rsjsouza:

--- Quote from: raptor1956 on October 23, 2023, 12:44:15 am ---I'd also wondered if the page owner (Electric Viking) might be doing something or have a setting that triggers these actions but I'm unaware what settings he'd have used if they exist at all.  When this first happened yesterday I was convinced that the Electric Viking didn't like my post and flagged it as SPAM as the options for a channel to identify posts are limited to only a few things like SPAM so that gets selected a lot because there isn't another option that is better.  But, when I reposted 20 minutes or so later and discovered, almost immediately, that the post was gone and was quickly followed by the YT popup informing me of my timeout I realized it wasn't likely that the Electric Viking, or anyone working for him, would have so quickly done all that.

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The content creator can control if posts with links are left alone, sent to be reviewed or deleted on spot. My channel sents them to be reviewed.
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