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Offline joseph nicholas

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Power Co Conspiracy
« on: September 02, 2016, 08:08:01 pm »
The electric meter on my house because:

1.  It can turn off the juice to my house remotely by using a wireless device.  If you are away and it was turned off in your absence, there is a re connection fee.  When this happens they do it late Friday afternoon and can´t come back until Monday.

2.  The device thats used to turn it off is also given to all emergency services including the police.  If thats not enough, the power company will charge you a re-connection fee to turn on the power when the cops turn it off to raid your house because of an unpaid parking ticket.

PS  There is nothing more annoying then having your power cut.  Worse than water, internet, gas or telephone.  Governments and public companies know this so they allow the power co to do this with upmost ease and at your expense.  This is all done in the guise of public interest.

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2016, 08:11:39 pm »
Aside from non-payment (natural disaster, fire etc), why would they shut your power off?

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2016, 11:28:47 pm »
This is a problem especially if its wireless. This means that someone could listen in on the device and use it to mess with peoples electricity supply. Just like how modern cars are vulnerable to this as well, the wireless signal from key is captured and repeated, the computerised key fob defeated with a bit of programming and generic unprogrammed key fob.

Just like with ISPs and their remote access into your router, someone else may know the password/backdoor and hijack your internet or listen and get all your private information such as banking and access to your accounts like email and various other things. The famous problem with a router like the d-link dir 615, its one of the reasons why i always discourage dlink aside from their poor firmware and hardware quality but also their practices as a company (they gave away their firmware keys).
 

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2016, 11:33:30 pm »
Suppose you forget to pay your bill?
 

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2016, 11:34:55 pm »
Suppose you forget to pay your bill?

Then you suffer the consequences?
 

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2016, 11:56:41 pm »
Suppose your on a respirator?
 
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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2016, 12:04:39 am »
Suppose your on a respirator?

... then you shouldn't rely on the grid for power for it?

Good grief.
 

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2016, 12:54:44 am »
Here in NZ there were a few years back one or two fatalities because of power loss (respirator), at least one was a disconnection. 

Consequently to that a quite rigorous set of guidelines and requirements were created that the electricity retailers have to follow - "Medically Dependant Consumers", the most important paragraph is...

“any consumer who is dependent on electricity for critical medical support will not be disconnected for reasons of non-payment”

obviously you can't just ring up your electricity retailer (for clarity here in NZ we have a number of electricity retailers which handle the supply to the consumers) and say "I'm medically dependant", if you are issued with the qualifying medical equipment you will be given an MDC notice which you can submit to the electricity retailer.

http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/environmental-health/medically-dependent-consumers-electricity
http://www.ea.govt.nz/operations/retail/retailers/retailer-obligations/medically-dependant-and-vulnerable-customers/
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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2016, 01:49:01 am »
when they disconnect your power for non payment it would be harder to pay since you need electricity to power your phone/laptop/PC and your networking gear in order to get online and pay or to find the phone number to call them up and pay.

Which is why it is a dumb idea to disconnect on non payment unless it has been a month or 2 with many notices given.
 

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2016, 03:24:58 am »
Wow and I thought my power company sucks.
So find out what frequency is used and jam it. Naturally a very low power transmitter, and only turn it on when needed (Friday afternoon).

An evil person would use a high power transmitter, wired to a car battery, in some hard to access location.
 

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2016, 05:11:29 am »
This is a problem especially if its wireless. This means that someone could listen in on the device and use it to mess with peoples electricity supply.

Possible, but unlikely unless you had the same radio.  These meters are usually on the ISM band using FHSS with encryption.  It is not impossible to attack the meters over RF, but it is certainly more challenging and expensive than a typical internet-based attack.
 

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2016, 07:59:19 am »

When this happened to me I came to the conclusion that:

1. Legislation was needed to prevent the power co from disconnecting you without some kind of due process. 
2. It was necessary to physically prevent them from removing their meter without your consent.  Then, they couldn´t roll up in the middle of the night without warning and remove the meter entirely.  After all, if you paid your bill the same day they cut you off but didn´t turn you back on then they couldn´t demand you give them physical access to the meter.  Yes I know this is extreme but it could happen when your dealing with a big bureaucracy.
3. You need a flashlight a bunch of candles.
 

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2016, 08:02:22 am »
Aside from non-payment (natural disaster, fire etc), why would they shut your power off?

Start with a cockup in the billing department, or someone mistranscribes a number, or a malicious employee, or state-sponsored hacking....
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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2016, 03:42:49 pm »
Easy solution, replace the meter, make sure it still gives the readings wirelessly/remotely like the old one but without the ability to be shut off. They will never know.
 
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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2016, 04:09:46 pm »
They'll know, I'm pretty sure if you tamper with it an alarm signal will be sent. I was thinking jam it, but how would you jam the receiving but not the transmitting. It's obviously a mobile signal of some sort, maybe it can be rerouted through a mobile router that blocks receiving?
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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2016, 04:11:58 pm »
Easy solution, replace the meter, make sure it still gives the readings wirelessly/remotely like the old one but without the ability to be shut off. They will never know.

The meter has a security tag in its collar.  Cutting the tag will give the power company cause to believe you are stealing power.  The tag has a date code so will asses you a hefty fine.  Bad idea.   
 

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2016, 04:52:41 pm »
Easy solution, replace the meter, make sure it still gives the readings wirelessly/remotely like the old one but without the ability to be shut off. They will never know.

The meter has a security tag in its collar.  Cutting the tag will give the power company cause to believe you are stealing power.  The tag has a date code so will asses you a hefty fine.  Bad idea.

They'll know long before they see that. There's likely an anti-tamper micro switch on the cover that has to be deactivated before servicing. Opening it up and triggering it is illegal.
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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2016, 04:57:18 pm »
There is no micro/tamper switch in the meter base/box, you can buy these at your local Menards/Lowes/etc, take a look inside one next time your there.


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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2016, 05:01:38 pm »

When this happened to me I came to the conclusion that:

1. Legislation was needed to prevent the power co from disconnecting you without some kind of due process. 


I'm not sure if it's a local law, or a Duke Energy (the local utility where I live) policy, but they will not disconnect service in the dead of winter cold.

I'm also pretty darn sure, at least for Duke, it takes a couple months of non payment before they would yank the meter anyhow.

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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2016, 05:07:30 pm »
Don't be a bitch. They definitely told you in advance before you sign the contract. Be a man with balls, you can generate your power from your own gen set. Otherwise just be a normal person that uses public service, and there should not be any reason that utility just screws you up. If they screw up everyone, they are dead. If they screw you only, then the problem is on you.

Unless you are a anti government social movement leader or a separatist or something similar, or you really owe a LOT of debt or tickets, there is no reason cops will storm your house. If thy misidentified your house as some other target's house, they will cover the cost.
 

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2016, 05:12:59 pm »
There is no micro/tamper switch in the meter base/box, you can buy these at your local Menards/Lowes/etc, take a look inside one next time your there.

It's not supplied with the box. :palm: They put it in there when they install the smart meter.
https://www.metering.com/smart-meters-how-to-make-anti-tamper-switches-eco-and-safe/
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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2016, 05:29:20 pm »
There is no micro/tamper switch in the meter base/box, you can buy these at your local Menards/Lowes/etc, take a look inside one next time your there.

It's not supplied with the box. :palm: They put it in there when they install the smart meter.
https://www.metering.com/smart-meters-how-to-make-anti-tamper-switches-eco-and-safe/

Are you assuming smart meters are everywhere?  The OP is in Mexico, and the vast majority of the US doesn't have them either.  I've never seen one and have done residential work in Indiana, Illinois, Florida and Missouri.

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2016, 05:33:01 pm »
... the power company will charge you a re-connection fee to turn on the power when the cops turn it off to raid your house...

That's a very common problem.  ;-)

Seriously, an easy remote disconnection reduces their incentive to warn you about a disconnection.
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2016, 05:36:43 pm »
I think to further this discussion we need to know what happened and why.

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Re: Power Co Conspiracy
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2016, 05:38:17 pm »
Oh, they gave you fair warning. A public notice in the bottom drawer of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard".
 


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