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Pride month science
« on: June 11, 2023, 12:32:44 pm »
Here's a science question for Pride month:

I've been thinking about rainbows. And of course, the mythical origin of the rainbow is Noah's flood, which implied that there were no rainbows before that.

So... what would physics look like before the mythical flood, when different frequencies of light all refracted at the same angle (or did not refract at all), so that the light didn't split and there were no rainbows?

Could the "damage" to quantum physics be limited to just refraction, or would other properties of photons have to change, or would all of quantum mechanics come crashing down (and if so, why)?
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2023, 02:51:58 pm »
Photons will be photons, and EM waves will undulate.
The visible rainbow is produced due to variation with wavelength/frequency in the refractive index ("dispersion") of the water in the droplets.
Dispersion in materials is a quantum effect--only classical physics existed in antediluvian times.
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2023, 02:55:11 pm »
only classical physics existed in antediluvian times.

That's an interesting way of thinking about it. God promised not to flood us again, but plagued us with inscrutable physics instead.  :-DD
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2023, 02:58:46 pm »
And quantum physics was followed closely by oenology.
Genesis IX, 20-21.
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2023, 03:25:00 pm »
Rainbows are made from Dark Light - and this is a fact according to AI :-//

OK so now I'm just confused. How many rainbows do the LGBTQAIW+ 'community' need? Answer, all of them. Seriously, you want to click this: https://www.volvogroup.com/en/news-and-media/news/2021/jun/lgbtq-pride-flags-and-what-they-stand-for.html

Not to be confused with the resistor color code https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_color_code

Flags as yet awaiting colors : Transformersexual. Transientsexual. Oscillatingsexual. Flipflopsexual. Harmonicsexual...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2023, 04:32:02 pm by AndyBeez »
 
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2023, 03:38:06 pm »
Don't be silly, everyone knows that rainbows are unicorn flatulence.
 
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2023, 04:41:15 pm »
That's an interesting way of thinking about it. God promised not to flood us again, but plagued us with inscrutable physics instead.
This, and chromatic aberrations are punishment for sin.
Optics sure as hell worked better before the flood.
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2023, 07:57:10 pm »
That's an interesting way of thinking about it. God promised not to flood us again, but plagued us with inscrutable physics instead.
This, and chromatic aberrations are punishment for sin.
Optics sure as hell worked better before the flood.

Funnily enough, "good lord!" sounds like the most appropriate reply in this thread. :-DD
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2023, 09:33:38 pm »
I've been thinking about rainbows. And of course, the mythical origin of the rainbow is Noah's flood, which implied that there were no rainbows before that.
How did you extrapolate that?
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2023, 09:38:37 pm »
Don't be silly, everyone knows that rainbows are unicorn flatulence.

Rubbish, they are divining rods for gold.
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2023, 09:44:36 pm »
And of course, the mythical origin of the rainbow is Noah's flood, which implied that there were no rainbows before that.
How did you extrapolate that?

If rainbows were a routine occurrence after storms, why would anyone find it notable - especially to the extent of being divine guarantee - when one appeared after 40 days of rain?
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2023, 09:45:17 pm »
I've been thinking about rainbows. And of course, the mythical origin of the rainbow is Noah's flood, which implied that there were no rainbows before that.
How did you extrapolate that?

That interpretation of the myth is consistent with the verb tenses in the Biblical narrative:

Genesis, chapter 9 (King James version):

11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

We also know that this is pre-metric, since a myth is as good as a mile.
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2023, 10:02:52 pm »
This is political, somebody close this shitty thread, please.
 
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2023, 10:12:18 pm »
This is political, somebody close this shitty thread, please.

This is a silly thread, but I haven't noticed any politics until your post.
 
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2023, 10:17:43 pm »
If you google "Pride month", without the quotes.  A miracle (of sorts) happens.  Don't believe me?
Feel free to try it.

N.B.  I'm serious!

Probably only works in Google searches.
 
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2023, 10:44:37 pm »
Thread locked in 3, 2, 1 ...
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2023, 10:48:39 pm »
Thread locked in 3, 2, 1 ...

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2023, 10:56:04 pm »
This is political, somebody close this shitty thread, please.

This is a silly thread, but I haven't noticed any politics until your post.
Yes, RoGeorges comment was a little queer wasn't it.
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2023, 11:40:08 pm »
Pride month?
I’m proud to be an old straight white male.
Go ahead and show how inclusive you are and celebrate me.
 
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2023, 12:34:06 am »
I'm proud to be humble.
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2023, 03:04:25 am »
Pride month?
I’m proud to be an old straight white male.
Go ahead and show how inclusive you are and celebrate me.

Oh I thought it was about groups of lions.
 
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2023, 08:53:41 am »
Here's a science question for Pride month:

I've been thinking about rainbows. And of course, the mythical origin of the rainbow is Noah's flood, which implied that there were no rainbows before that.

So... what would physics look like before the mythical flood, when different frequencies of light all refracted at the same angle (or did not refract at all), so that the light didn't split and there were no rainbows?

Could the "damage" to quantum physics be limited to just refraction, or would other properties of photons have to change, or would all of quantum mechanics come crashing down (and if so, why)?

Presumably this means The Flood that Noah built his Ark to weather, happened about 370,000 years after the Big Bang, when the universe became transparent, and refraction became possible...
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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2023, 09:13:43 am »
Presumably this means The Flood that Noah built his Ark to weather, happened about 370,000 years after the Big Bang, when the universe became transparent, and refraction became possible...
Very true. And that day was a Tuesday btw.

All about atmospheric refractions and optics : https://atoptics.co.uk/bows.htm
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2023, 12:44:12 pm »
I'd like to add that there are acutally *2* rainbows.
That might hint at two gods.
Also: You can have all the floods you want - no rainbows. However have the slightest hint of rain - the nicest rainbow will occur. So the bible might not scientifically correct there 8)
 

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Re: Pride month science
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2023, 12:54:36 pm »
Very early in the piece the Bible says it had not begun to rain, but a mist would arise from the ground and water everything. So maybe it had not rained from the sky until the flood occurred?
 


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