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Offline Zbig

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2020, 01:43:40 pm »
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There's others, but I've no inclination to digress further.

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2020, 12:56:37 pm »
I'm sure 'Tooki' will, (ok, may), comment... (I liked my discussions with him in the past!)...
To ME, in English, we tend to pronounce words, in the way the originating country pronounces them.
For instance, a German woman friend complained to me why the word 'Esplanade' was not sounded like 'Esplanaid', because
we have the word 'Lemonade' (sounded 'Lemonaid'). I explained to her that 'Esplanade' is a 'French' word, so we sound it
like 'Esplanaard' out of respect for the French word. And there are numerous other examples!!   :D
Diagonal of 1x1 square = Root-2. Ok.
Diagonal of 1x1x1 cube = Root-3 !!!  Beautiful !!
 
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2020, 07:30:36 pm »
It was always "via" as in viaduct when I was in Australia.

How is "router" pronounced?

Well, I am so old, I can remember times when we had to rework "vias" by adding thru- leads, soldering on both sides, because the
test guys found in a batch, cracks in through hole plating  under the pads.
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2020, 07:42:32 pm »
One American "English" (hah) pronunciation which REALLY grates is "Mul TIMMITUR" when an American means "multimeter". Let's deconstruct the word: "Multi meter" - there's no such thing as a "mul" or a "timmitur" - it's a METER that does MULTIple things  ;D
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2020, 08:50:45 pm »
I have lived in the US for lo, these 70 years and have never heard “mul timmitur”.  Perhaps you are thinking of “altimeter”?
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2020, 09:32:26 pm »
I have lived in the US for lo, these 70 years and have never heard “mul timmitur”.  Perhaps you are thinking of “altimeter”?

Nope, I heard it 5x in the last week, from Americans on YouTube, and also my "Google Home" virtual assistant pronounces it this way too, in her American accent.
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2020, 09:42:38 pm »
GIF": there's no "discussion" for this, it's an acronym of "Graphics Interchange Format" - the first letter of "GIF" is therefore going to be, phonetically sounded as  "Guh" and not "Juh", as it's only a moron who thinks that you'd pronounce "Graphics" as "Jraphics"  :palm:
If you pronounce it as an initialism (it's not an acronym at all) it's "gee eye eff".  You would never actually pronounce an acronym like that if it were one; those are always pronounced as words.  If you pronounce GIF as a word, it's fine to use jif since the G is followed by one of E, I , Y.
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2020, 09:47:44 pm »
I have lived in the US for lo, these 70 years and have never heard “mul timmitur”.  Perhaps you are thinking of “altimeter”?

Nope, I heard it 5x in the last week, from Americans on YouTube, and also my "Google Home" virtual assistant pronounces it this way too, in her American accent.

I have successfully avoided these speakers.  How do the English pronounce “multiply” and “multiple”, with an “eye” for an “I”?  And how do they pronounce “altimeter”?
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2020, 12:48:29 am »
I have lived in the US for lo, these 70 years and have never heard “mul timmitur”.  Perhaps you are thinking of “altimeter”?

Nope, I heard it 5x in the last week, from Americans on YouTube, and also my "Google Home" virtual assistant pronounces it this way too, in her American accent.

I have successfully avoided these speakers.  How do the English pronounce “multiply” and “multiple”, with an “eye” for an “I”?  And how do they pronounce “altimeter”?

British English (Gold standard, national accent - not "RP" speech but the generic, non-geographic English which is more and more prevalent in England now)

~~ Phonetically ~~:

"Multiply": "Mul tee ply"
"Multiple": "Mul tipple"

"Altimeter": (usually) "Al tee mee tuh"

Anything else, whilst not the end of the world, is just nonsensical when you deconstruct the word and speak it's component words aloud.
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2020, 01:50:27 am »
Now that that is settled, I would never dictate to citizens of another country how they should pronounce their language. 
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2020, 02:15:43 am »
Now that that is settled, I would never dictate to citizens of another country how they should pronounce their language.

And as soon as you stop calling it English... ;)
 
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2020, 02:22:00 am »
And as soon as you stop calling it English... ;)

You speak British, Scottish, and Irish

We speak English
 
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2020, 02:34:14 am »
And as soon as you stop calling it English... ;)

You speak British, Scottish, and Irish

We speak English

No love for the Welsh I see. That's okay, they're used to it.
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2020, 02:37:36 am »
In the US, I have heard only the pronunciation "VEE-AH".

Same here. I use US-centric pronunciations for technology. Some newbies in Australia pronounce them "V-EYE-AHS".

Young players new to technology in Australia (especially the media) pronounce the word data as "DARTA", whereas more experienced people here use the US pronunciation "DAYTA". To my knowledge, back in the 1970's and 80's, no-one pronounced data as "DARTA". I suspect the oddball pronunciation was spawned by someone in the media here and newbies knew no better.

Same with the word hacker. Twisted by the media and adopted by politicians and unsuspecting newbies - thanks to a stupid 1995 movie called "Hackers". I have been a full-on hacker for 45 years. And will continue to hack.
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2020, 02:42:22 am »
In the US, I have heard only the pronunciation "VEE-AH".

Same here. I use US-centric pronunciations for technology. Some newbies in Australia pronounce them "V-EYE-AHS".

Young players new to technology in Australia (especially the media) pronounce the word data as "DARTA", whereas more experienced people here use the US pronunciation "DAYTA". To my knowledge, back in the 1970's and 80's, no-one pronounced data as "DARTA". I suspect the oddball pronunciation was spawned by someone in the media here and newbies knew no better.

Same with the word hacker. Twisted by the media and adopted by politicians and unsuspecting newbies - thanks to a stupid 1995 movie called "Hackers". I have been a full-on hacker for 45 years. And will continue to hack.

Some 'hackers' were annoyed that the term 'crackers' wasn't used in that context.
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2020, 07:23:40 am »
In the US, I have heard only the pronunciation "VEE-AH".

Same here. I use US-centric pronunciations for technology. Some newbies in Australia pronounce them "V-EYE-AHS".

Young players new to technology in Australia (especially the media) pronounce the word data as "DARTA", whereas more experienced people here use the US pronunciation "DAYTA". To my knowledge, back in the 1970's and 80's, no-one pronounced data as "DARTA". I suspect the oddball pronunciation was spawned by someone in the media here and newbies knew no better.

Same with the word hacker. Twisted by the media and adopted by politicians and unsuspecting newbies - thanks to a stupid 1995 movie called "Hackers". I have been a full-on hacker for 45 years. And will continue to hack.



It's "day-ta" and when Dave's brother finds out he's been saying his name wrong all these years, he's gonna beam him onto a deserted planet.

 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2020, 08:41:31 am »
It's "day-ta"

To ME, in English, we tend to pronounce words, in the way the originating country pronounces them.

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2020, 09:14:23 am »
In the US, I have heard only the pronunciation "VEE-AH".

Same here. I use US-centric pronunciations for technology. Some newbies in Australia pronounce them "V-EYE-AHS".

Young players new to technology in Australia (especially the media) pronounce the word data as "DARTA", whereas more experienced people here use the US pronunciation "DAYTA". To my knowledge, back in the 1970's and 80's, no-one pronounced data as "DARTA". I suspect the oddball pronunciation was spawned by someone in the media here and newbies knew no better.

Same with the word hacker. Twisted by the media and adopted by politicians and unsuspecting newbies - thanks to a stupid 1995 movie called "Hackers". I have been a full-on hacker for 45 years. And will continue to hack.

Nope! "DARTA" was a common pronunciation back in the 1950s & '60s, & people looked "fish eyed" at you if you used the pronunciation"DAYTA"

Those of us of that generation also used  "V-eye-uh".
This was years before the use for PCBs, & the word was more likely to appear on bus destination boards.

Apparently, the "young whippersnappers" in the 1970s & '80s saw fit to change both pronunciations.
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2020, 09:15:55 am »
And as soon as you stop calling it English... ;)

You speak British, Scottish, and Irish

We speak English

No love for the Welsh I see. That's okay, they're used to it.

How about the Cornish?
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2020, 10:48:46 am »
One American "English" (hah) pronunciation which REALLY grates is "Mul TIMMITUR" when an American means "multimeter". Let's deconstruct the word: "Multi meter" - there's no such thing as a "mul" or a "timmitur" - it's a METER that does MULTIple things  ;D
By “Americans”, I assume you mean Ben Heck? He’s the only person I’ve ever heard say it “mul-TIM-iter”. Rest assured, the normal American pronunciation is “multi-meter”, and everything else is wrong!
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2020, 10:51:46 am »
I have lived in the US for lo, these 70 years and have never heard “mul timmitur”.  Perhaps you are thinking of “altimeter”?

Nope, I heard it 5x in the last week, from Americans on YouTube, and also my "Google Home" virtual assistant pronounces it this way too, in her American accent.
Algorithmic text-to-speech pronunciations are not in any way indicative of correct pronunciation in a non-phonetic (written) language like English! :p

Remember the famous “ghoti” example?  ;D
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2020, 10:59:39 am »
What is soddering anyway?

Sounds like a prison activity.
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2020, 11:03:34 am »
I have successfully avoided these speakers.  How do the English pronounce “multiply” and “multiple”, with an “eye” for an “I”?  And how do they pronounce “altimeter”?

British English (Gold standard, national accent - not "RP" speech but the generic, non-geographic English which is more and more prevalent in England now)

~~ Phonetically ~~:

"Multiply": "Mul tee ply"
"Multiple": "Mul tipple"
I don’t think that’s correct. Not only from my experience (since probably 95% of the English speakers I interact with regularly are British), but also according to the OED, as well as multiple (British human, not text to speech) pronunciation guides on YouTube. It’s “mul-tip-lie” (hyphens inserted not to signify syllable breaks, solely to disambiguate the sound by using actual words where possible).

The “i” in multiply is the same sound as the “i” in “is”.

In contrast, the “i” (and the first “e”) in multimeter is the same sound as the “e” in “we”.

(I studied linguistics at university, so have some practice in careful sound identification — it’s astounding how much our mind plays tricks with us regarding sounds, in that we mentally group slightly different sounds into what we call “phonemes” that are then parsed for meaning. It takes practice to overcome this, and even so is imperfect...)
 

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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2020, 11:05:07 am »
What is soddering anyway?

Sounds like a prison activity.
Please, please, PLEASE let that one go. It’s been discussed to death, and then some, on every.... damned... soldering.... video... that is posted by an American.  :horse: :horse: :horse: :horse:

(Executive summary for those who don’t know: that is the correct pronunciation in American English, whose pronunciation of that word remains closer to the French word it originated from, and does not represent American laziness or inability to read. There are silent “L”s in all variants of English. We know, it sounds like a dirty word in British. There, I think I’ve addressed all the points anyone has ever made in those discussions. No need to re-hash it.)
« Last Edit: October 18, 2020, 11:09:42 am by tooki »
 
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Re: Pronunciation of "via(s)"
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2020, 11:07:00 am »
What is soddering anyway?

Sounds like a prison activity.
Please, please, PLEASE let that one go. It’s been discussed to death, and then some, on every.... damned... soldering.... video... that is posted by an American.  :horse: :horse: :horse: :horse:

 :)
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