Proof that software as service/cloud based, will never work for long term ...

[SilverSolder]

Not really a cloud based fail, this one, but a fail of modern web design that I find quite amusing.

A couple of years ago, Nasdaq launched a shiny new site with all the modern BS design features, and dumbed down functionality www.nasdaq.com

Customers got so p!ssed that Nasdaq was eventually forced to keep the old site on line as old.nasdaq.com - where things actually work, does not require a 12 foot video wall to display two lines of text, etc.!

[Karel]

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/error-r-not-authenticated-please-try-logging-in-again/td-p/9066032

[olkipukki]

....old site on line as does not require a 12 foot video wall to display two lines of text, etc.!

this 

I bet designed by people who do not have any clue what is all about 

a few websites used be good upgraded to "new way of web" and I just stopped use if cannot compensate my time spent wasted

The most annoying things so called a carousel on 1/2 of screen with couple line of texts and small image, or grid of products with same picture spreaded on 100+ pages...

[Mr. Scram]

One of my peeves is lazy loading on websites where it doesn't make any sense. I get it's useful when you have many or large images. It doesn't make any sense to have plaintext loading per paragraph or have a list in an interface load in segments of 25. Just searching for something suddenly becomes a hassle. It's a few bytes of text, just load it already.

[SilverSolder]

One of my peeves is lazy loading on websites where it doesn't make any sense. I get it's useful when you have many or large images. It doesn't make any sense to have plaintext loading per paragraph or have a list in an interface load in segments of 25. Just searching for something suddenly becomes a hassle. It's a few bytes of text, just load it already.

Wonder if there is a trend of these things coming down the road hand in hand:  poor web design, and cloud based - both!

[bd139]

The lazy loading thing is usually actually a nasty trick. It allows them to monitor your progress through the page and do visitor analytics. You can track when people get disinterested in the article etc.

The thing that does annoy the shit out of me is when it is done to save bandwidth but the first thing it does is puke 2 megs of javascript and about 50 hits to different tracking sites first.

gopher is still around if anyone has had enough of this shit: https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw

Edit: I'm actually building a console gopher client in Go at the moment

[Mr. Scram]

The lazy loading thing is usually actually a nasty trick. It allows them to monitor your progress through the page and do visitor analytics. You can track when people get disinterested in the article etc.

The thing that does annoy the shit out of me is when it is done to save bandwidth but the first thing it does is puke 2 megs of javascript and about 50 hits to different tracking sites first.

gopher is still around if anyone has had enough of this shit: https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw

Edit: I'm actually building a console gopher client in Go at the moment

It's not just articles, but also interfaces that simply list something or even plain text. As you say, massively bloated pages are loaded to skimp on the actual content weighing next to nothing. Please just load that 50 kB table. Intrusive tracking is an issue, mind.

[olkipukki]

Edit: I'm actually building a console gopher client in Go at the moment

...and in 5 years time, BBS & FidoNet hosting are coming back too?   

[SilverSolder]

Edit: I'm actually building a console gopher client in Go at the moment

...and in 5 years time, BBS & FidoNet hosting are coming back too?   

Wouldn't be surprised.  As the WWW becomes more and more commercialised and locked down, people will look for an escape hatch...

[bd139]

Yeah. Look at Gopher server growth. 3x as many servers in the last 3 years. 4.5 million selectors (pages) available.

[Karel]

https://ifttt-sunset.mydlink.com/

[Mr. Scram]

Silly people! They forgot to explain how the people who bought it for the IFTTT support can get their money back. Bunch of goofs.

[nctnico]

Yeah. Look at Gopher server growth. 3x as many servers in the last 3 years. 4.5 million selectors (pages) available.

Interesting. Never realised Gopher still existed. I have used that briefly but then I got a 3.5" diskette with Netscape on it from a friend.

[Karel]

"We'll stop supporting this browser soon, for the best experience please update your browser" => Buy a new TV!

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/youtube-videos-no-longer-work-in-my-browser/msg3076477/

[BravoV]

Yet another proof, especially your core business that runs and depends solely at "other people" cloud, dead as the dodo.

-> Parler confused users download 'Porn-y' App Parlor   

... and if that is not bad enough ... just released, practically they're screwed so badly ....

-> 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

[bd139]

One of my mottos is always have an exit plan. Thus if you bring in AWS for anything, make sure it's just the IaaS stuff that you use and make sure you have another cloud provider lined up ready to roll (probably Azure even though I shudder at the thought). I'm more worried about billing fuck ups to be honest.

Or alternatively don't start a propagandist funded right-wing focused socialist network, build a moderation policy which promotes loons and start an actual insurrection / sedition on someone else's infrastructure and not expect them to be pissed about it. Also best not to start posting on twitter almost immediately about bombing their infrastructure afterwards as retaliation. Fucking retards the lot of them.

tl;dr: don't shit where you sleep.

[wraper]

right-wing focused socialist network

It's an oxymoron. FWIW twatter a is left-wing socialist social network. And Parler actually had more stringent rules, they just did not apply them based on political spectrum but done that equally to all. It's called lynching, and it happened "completely not suspiciously" when Trump supporter exodus from twatter happened. And IMHO antitrust laws should be taken to action.

[SilverSolder]

Apparently Parler has been hacked, all user posts (including deleted posts) have been uploaded to a public server.

Will be interesting to see if the platform was used for seditious activities, or not - we will know soon enough.

[bd139]

Page through here. It was: https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/

The content is disgusting. And now publicly available so it can be cited as a source 

right-wing focused socialist network

It's an oxymoron. FWIW twatter a is left-wing socialist social network. And Parler actually had more stringent rules, they just did not apply them based on political spectrum but done that equally to all. It's called lynching, and it happened "completely not suspiciously" when Trump supporter exodus from twatter happened. And IMHO antitrust laws should be taken to action.

That'll be iOS being a dick. Social network it was supposed to say 

Twitter has no wing. It just has lumps of loons on it.

Parler had no effective moderation policy. That was a fallacy. New users were shadow banned and only admitted to the community by 5 other community members who confirmed they were ideologically aligned. They refused to take down content when informed about it. And on top of that they were actually caught red handed shaping the community on numerous occasions. And they were in breach of AWS terms and conditions which are very very detailed on these matters. I know because I spent half of yesterday on a conference call reading through them with our legal counsel.

As for anti-trust, thanks to the whole gay cakes situation, there is a legal precedent set now for a company to refuse service to any customers it sees fit. Oh the fucking irony. Thus there is no anti-trust. There is no case to answer.

Plus Bezos could probably buy the US gov and make them mud wrestle for cheetos but that's another problem.

[GlennSprigg]

Obviously NUMEROUS software companies are now going 'Cloud-Based', both for the guts of the Software
itself, but for the actual working 'Data'. I understand that this 'might' be useful for cross-platform/device access
to your data, from say a PC in your office to a smart pad in the field!! However, there is insufficient security yet,
apart from the things that the OP first mentioned!  I'm old-school, and want NOTHING to do with the 'Cloud' !! 

I've said to people before, that the main reason for the likes of Win-10 and it's original crappy interface, is the
move towards Tablets & Touch-Screens, where the Device/Tablet etc becomes more of a 'Dumb-Terminal' once
again, like the original days!  We may not have a choice in the future, but I for one will die happy with what I
have, being self contained software, and my own data storage.  I'm too old to change!!   

[dferyance]

As for anti-trust, thanks to the whole gay cakes situation, there is a legal precedent set now for a company to refuse service to any customers it sees fit. Oh the fucking irony. Thus there is no anti-trust. There is no case to answer.

It will be re-assuring to know that the USA supreme court Masterpiece Cakeshop case did not establish that it is ok for a company to refuse service to anyone. This wasn't even up for discussion / decision in the case. It was a very narrow case with an even more narrow ruling. It wasn't even a liberal vs conservative decision as Breyer and Kagan were with the majority.

I feel no pity for Parler but am concerned with the general precedent. We have very large and powerful companies with significant control over the Internet that are wielding that power. Ok so Parler was an easy target, but what next?

[BravoV]

I feel no pity for Parler but am concerned with the general precedent. We have very large and powerful companies with significant control over the Internet that are wielding that power. Ok so Parler was an easy target, but what next?

Nothing wrong with that, just live with it and live thru it, that are the two sides of the same coin of capitalism, just can not enjoy the good side of the coin, while living in denial for the other unwanted side.

[wraper]

I feel no pity for Parler but am concerned with the general precedent. We have very large and powerful companies with significant control over the Internet that are wielding that power. Ok so Parler was an easy target, but what next?

Nothing wrong with that, just live with it and live thru it, that are the two sides of the same coin of capitalism, just can not enjoy the good side of the coin, while living in denial for the other unwanted side.

It feels like we have a new emerging CCP of big tech.

[bd139]

Wechat = Facebook. You already have one.

[Mr. Scram]

It will be re-assuring to know that the USA supreme court Masterpiece Cakeshop case did not establish that it is ok for a company to refuse service to anyone. This wasn't even up for discussion / decision in the case. It was a very narrow case with an even more narrow ruling. It wasn't even a liberal vs conservative decision as Breyer and Kagan were with the majority.

I feel no pity for Parler but am concerned with the general precedent. We have very large and powerful companies with significant control over the Internet that are wielding that power. Ok so Parler was an easy target, but what next?

I'm very uncomfortable with entities wielding massive amounts of power and influence deciding what is to be discussed and what not and what is acceptable or not. We developed all kinds of checks and balances for governments as we realized such a lopsided balance of power tends to yield all kinds of nasty situations. The big tech companies arguably have more power than many nations around the world yet few if any of the same checks and balances exist. They can wipe you from the many things they're involved in and simply move on without consequence. They don't even have to tell you why. I don't like the continuous narrowing of what's considered normal and acceptable and I don't like the idea of causing what's potentially a fair amount of harm to people's lives or livelihoods without recourse. If companies are going to wield that kind of power they should be accountable. Them using that power to wipe a bunch of dicks off the web doesn't make it any better.