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Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« on: July 19, 2022, 08:26:25 am »
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Does anyone know of a definitive or comprehensive reference table listing a wide range of engineering materials and their properties (eg. density, strength, speed of sound, resistivity, dielectric constant etc...)?

It feels to me as though there should be a big, fat book out there somewhere, probably published by a national laboratory, university or trade association, which lists hundreds if not thousands of materials along with the fundamental, quantifiable things which are known about them. Ideally it would include proper citations showing how each figure was obtained. Want to know the yield strength of balsa wood, or the speed of sound in mercury at room temperature? This is where you'll find it.

I don't doubt that such a reference would be expensive, as there would be a lot of work involved in putting it together and keeping it up to date. This is OK.

I can always google individual figures, of course, but the results are usually less than helpful, especially if I don't know exactly what I'm looking for (eg. 'what material has property X closest to value Y?'). Plenty of sites list little snippets of data, maybe a table showing a few related properties for a handful of materials, but no information on where those figures came from or where to find more.

I'm sure I'm missing something - the hardback book that every lab has somewhere, and that engineers pass down from father to son as they retire. But I can't find it.

Any hints please...?

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2022, 09:36:55 am »
I doubt that such a thing exists. Have you considered how "fat" it would have to be to cover the spectrum of modern materials? And how would it be kept up-to-date?
Once-upon-a-time, the go-to book that a "proper" lab wanted have access to was "The Rubber Book" - CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. Although I gather that recent editions have pared-back on what is now considered to be common knowledge.
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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2022, 09:57:48 am »
Sad to hear that about the CRC Handbook.

In addition and also very dated is Machinery's Handbook (Industrial Press, Inc., NY, NY).  I keep the 21st edition (copyright 1979) on my shelf.  Later editions went CD.  I don't know what the latest edition is. 
 

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2022, 10:19:44 am »
Sad to hear that about the CRC Handbook.
I should make it clear that that is second-hand opinion - I've not seen a copy for 30+ years.

Another vote for Machinery's Handbook  -  for the more practical mechanical stuff.
 

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2022, 11:20:59 am »
I have the 97th edition CRC handbook (2016/7) which is still useful. However it doesn’t have much on engineering materials. My favourite datum is the comprehensive list of materials incompatible with fluorine: Everything
 
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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2022, 11:26:13 am »
For Metals,
American Society for Metals
https://www.asminternational.org/search/-/journal_content/56/10192/15468704/DATABASE
ASM Alloy Center Database™

Claimed to be world's largest collection, Subscription US$500/year.
The 1998 ASM book "Properties of Metals" is still available $30.
 

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2022, 12:03:15 pm »
I still have about 2' of Dead Tree Data on Chemical Resistance of materials data alone (my former life) before you even get to Physical Properties of materials and I have a similar shelf length I guess of that sort of data along with a few Bearing and other speciality Item Reference books.

The issue even if you narrow it to metals for physical data is the 'standard' ones vary around the world a little for composition and availability before you get to specials and different prep (temper, heat treat, normalization etc).

One reference to keep an eye out for is "Machinery's Handbook" used Dead Tree exists on evilbay or Amazon but I picked up a new edition large Print one 6 months ago (the type is still small and 3000+ pages). There is also some slightly earlier edition bootleg PDF's going around on the web if you just want to take a look at what is inside.

The reality is the non Dead Tree option makes a lot of sense but the constant need to filter out the crap to get to what you need is getting tougher not easier.
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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2022, 01:50:58 pm »
Another useful book is "Reference Data for Engineers"  https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780750672917/reference-data-for-engineers
Older editions were titled "Reference Data for Radio Engineers", and were originally published by International Telephone and Telegraph Corp.
Of course, the data tabulations are mainly electrical properties (dielectrics, insulation, conductivity, etc.).
 

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2022, 02:28:14 pm »
Ashby and Jones is a bit abstract/theoretical, but you may find useful from an education/design view.

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2022, 03:01:04 pm »
RFCALC gives some values for some materials.
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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2022, 11:14:21 pm »
Matweb is handy (and free) for a lot of things, especially metals, but you can find a lot of things in there I think.  Mind, many of the data are partial, just a few relevant parameters the manufacturer decided to throw in there or whatever.

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2022, 03:33:15 am »
While the above suggestions included some of my primary references too (and are excluded from this list), here is what my database of literature holdings spat out under 'Materials':

Materials Science and Engineering Handbook   Shackleford/Alexander (Eds.)   CRC Press   3rdEd

Applied Materials Science -  Applications of Engineering Materials in Structural, Electronics, Thermal, and Other Industries   Deborah D-L. Chung   CRC Press      2001

Encyclopedia and Handbook of Materials, Parts, and Finishes   M.Schwartz   CRC Press   3rdEd   2016

Electronic, Magnetic, and Optical Materials   P.Fulay, Jung-Kun Lee   CRC Press   2   2017

Plastics Technology Handbook   Manas Chanda, Salil K. Roy   CRC Press      2007

Polymers for Electronic Applications   Juey H. Lai(Ed.)   CRC Press      2018

Modern Ceramic Engineering - Properties, Processing, and Use in Design   David W. Richardson, William E. Lee   CRC Press   4   2018

Mechanical Properties of Engineered Materials   Wolé Soboyejo   Dekker      2002

Handbookl of Engineering Polymeric Materials   Nicholas B. Cheremisinoff (Ed.)   Dekker      1997

Werkstoffe in der Elektrotechnik - Grundlagen, Struktur, Eigenschaften, Pruefung, Anwendung, Technologie   Hansgeorg Hofmann, Juergen Spindler     Hanser   7.Ausg.   2013

Properties of Electrical Engineering Materials   G. C. Jain   Harper International      1967

Aerospace Materials (Series in Materials Science and Engineering)   Brian Cantor, Hazel Assender and Patrick Grant (Eds.)   IOP Publishing      2001

Handbook of Plastics, Elastomers, and Composites;       McGraw-Hill   4   2004

Materials Handbook (predominantly Metals)   Brady Clauser Vaccari   McGraw-Hill   15   tbd

Handbook of materials and product design   Charles A. Harper, editor in chief   McGraw-Hill      2001

Handbook of Ceramics, Glasses, and Diamonds   Charles A. Harper, editor in chief   McGraw-Hill      2001

Materials Handbook - A Concise Desktop Reference   F.Cardarelli   Springer   2nd Ed.   2008

Springer Handbook of Materials Data   Warlimont, Martienssen   Springer   2nd Ed.   2018

Werkstoffe - Aufbau und Eigenschaften von Keramik-, Metall-, Polymer und Verbundwerkstoffen   Erhard Hornbogen   Springer   8.Ausg.   2006

Composite Materials - Science and Application   Deborah D.L. Chung   Springer   2ndEd   2010

Technologie der Werkstoffe - Herstellung, Verarbeitung, Einsatz   J.Ruge, H.Wohlfahrt   Springer Vieweg   9.Ausg.   2013

Materialien der Elektronik und Energietechnik - Halbleiter, Graphen, Funktionale Materialien   Peter Wellmann   Springer Vieweg      2017

Electrical Degradation and Breakdown in Polymers   L.A.Dissado, J.C.Fothergill   The IET      2008

Advanced Dielectric Materials for Electrostatic Capacitors   Qi Li   The IET      2020

Werkstoffkunde - Strukturen, Eigenschaften, Pruefung   W. Weissbach M. Dahms   Vieweg+Teubner   17.Ausg.   2010

Werkstoffe der Elektrotechnik   Ellen Ivers-Tiffée, Waldemar von Münch   Teubner   11.Ausg.   2007

Handbook of Materials Selection   ed. by Myer Kutz   Wiley      2002

Dielectric Materials for Electrical Engineering   Juan Martinez-Vega (Ed.)   Wiley/ISTE      2010

Advanced Electrical and Electronics Materials - Processes and Applications   K.M..Gupta, N. Gupta   Wiley/Scrivener      2015

Electroceramics - Materials, Properties, Applications   A.J.Moulson, J.M.Herbert   Wiley   2   2003

Characterization of Materials Vol.1+2   Elton N. Kaufman (Ed.)   Wiley Interscience      2003

Concise Encyclopedia of Composite Materials   Ed. by A. Mortensen   Elsevier   2ndEd    2007

Concise Encyclopedia of Magnetic and Superconducting Materials   Ed. by K.H.J. Buschow   Elsevier 2ndEd   2005

HANDBOOK OF ADHESIVES AND SEALANTS - Basic Concepts and High Tech Bonding (Handbook of Adhesives and Sealants – Vol. 1)   Editor Phillippe Cognard   Elsevier      2005

HANDBOOK OF ADHESIVES AND SEALANTS - General Knowledge, Application Techniques, New Curing Techniques (Handbook of Adhesives and Sealants – Vol. 2)   Editor Phillippe Cognard   Elsevier      2006

Encapsulation Technologies for Electronic Applications   Haleh Ardebili and Michael Pecht     Elsevier   2009

Functional Dielectrics for Electronics - Fundamentals of Conversion Properties   Y. Poplavko, Y, Yakymenko   Elsevier      2020

Plastics engineering    A.J. Crawford   Butterworth-Heinemann   3rdEd   1998

Mechanics of Materials   James M. Gere   Thomson Learning   6   2004

Werkstoffe fuer elektrische Kontakte   Stöckel et. al.   Expert-Verlag      1980

Taschenbuch der Werkstoffe   Merkel/Thomas   Fachbuchverl. Leipzig/Köln   4.Ausg.   1996

Kunststoff-Tabellen   Carlowitz   Hanser   3.Ausg.   1985

Werkstoffkunde der Elektrotechnik   Döring   Vieweg   2.Ausg.   1988

Werkstoffe der Elektrotechnik   W.v.Münch   Teubner   5.Ausg.   1985

Taschenbuch fuer Chemiker und Physiker, Band1: Makroskopische physikalisch-chemische Eigenschaften   D'Ans, Lax   Springer   3.Ausg.   1967

Taschenbuch fuer Chemiker und Physiker, Band2: Organische Verbindungen   D'Ans, Lax   Springer   3.Ausg.   1964

Taschenbuch fuer Chemiker und Physiker, Band3: Eigenschaften von Atomen und Molekeln   Schaefer/Synowietz   Springer   3.Ausg.   1970

Moderne Werkstoffe      Spektrum d. Wissenschaft      1996


I did not delete the German publications as there might be an English translation available or they could be useful to someone.
(Format is basically: Title, Author(s), Publisher, Ed./Version, Year of publication)
 
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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2022, 07:16:02 am »
Wow...!

Thanks everyone, that's a huge help.

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2022, 06:44:53 pm »
Biggest problem I have looking things up is disagreement between sources, usually for metals.
 

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Re: Properties of materials - definitive reference?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2022, 07:10:33 pm »
definitive is a relative term. I usually start looking for material information at ... but a lot of people don't trust quasi-governmental run sources like this one....

https://materialsproject.org/

 
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