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Putting a monitor to sleep when no video signal
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berke:

--- Quote from: ataradov on February 05, 2024, 09:01:39 pm ---The cleanest solution would be to make a simple USB device that implements low power mode. When the OS goes to sleep, it would send the device into low power mode, which in turn would activate the IR remote.

It is not a huge project, but still a project.

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I like this idea.  This way, OP won't have to no mess with his TVs, no degrading the video signals and the solution will still work if the TVs are replaced.

Is this a desktop PC?  There must be a header somewhere that would tell you simply if your PC is in sleeping or not.  Maybe a status LED.  I'd personally tap that signal and some 5V and run it to an AVR connected to an IR diode.  Worse case a current probe placed somewhere could do the trick.
tom66:
The relevant signal will be BKL_ON/OFF, pin 5.

You will not want to drive the STBY signal.  Main board will expect rails to be available;  if you remove the power signal it will either go back into standby state, or into the infamous flashing LED state that Vestel sets do (indicating "some" kind of fault, but never so kind to tell you WHAT that fault is...)

Be aware the TV will still be driving the panel in this state, so I expect somewhere around 10 watts power consumption in the pseudo-sleep state.
soldar:

--- Quote from: tom66 on February 07, 2024, 05:39:27 pm ---The relevant signal will be BKL_ON/OFF, pin 5.

You will not want to drive the STBY signal.  Main board will expect rails to be available;  if you remove the power signal it will either go back into standby state, or into the infamous flashing LED state that Vestel sets do (indicating "some" kind of fault, but never so kind to tell you WHAT that fault is...)

Be aware the TV will still be driving the panel in this state, so I expect somewhere around 10 watts power consumption in the pseudo-sleep state.
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Oh, Ok, thanks. So that signal is coming to the PSU board from the main board so if I force it low by shorting C25 the backlight turns off. In other words, I would short it to gnd after the R42 2k2 resistor and not at the connector. Please confirm this is correct.  Since I expect these components to be SMD on the lower side I might have a little trouble finding them. It seems quite easy to implement this part of disabling the backlight. The next part will be deciding how to control this and I might look at the video signal, the mouse signal, etc.

Another question. In the schematics I notice items marked SXX (S24, S25, etc) which look like jumpers but in some places they make no sense to me as jumpers. Can you explain this? What am I missing?
soldar:
One of the computers has a PS2 mouse and keyboard. This protocol holds the data and clock lines at +5V when at rest and pulses down when communicating the connector also has +5V Vcc and gnd. So it should not be difficult to insert inline a circuit that will detect any communication and after a period blank the screen. As long as there is data on the line the timer is held back. When data ceases the timer starts counting and at the end of the countdown it disables the backlight.

Seems pretty easy.
tom66:

--- Quote from: soldar on February 07, 2024, 07:22:07 pm ---Oh, Ok, thanks. So that signal is coming to the PSU board from the main board so if I force it low by shorting C25 the backlight turns off. In other words, I would short it to gnd after the R42 2k2 resistor and not at the connector. Please confirm this is correct.  Since I expect these components to be SMD on the lower side I might have a little trouble finding them. It seems quite easy to implement this part of disabling the backlight. The next part will be deciding how to control this and I might look at the video signal, the mouse signal, etc.

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Main board generates that signal to say it wants backlight on, and power supply turns on backlight.  The power supply produces both a standby 5V, which is always on, and a 12V/24V supply.  The 12V/24V will be switched on when the TV needs it, primarily the higher voltage supplies are for the LCD panel, speakers, maybe an LNB amplifier if the TV has one, as well as the motherboard's supplies that don't run in standby (USB power for instance).

You would probably be okay putting a shorting relay or transistor across C25, which would allow you to pull the voltage down across C25.  The resistor there limits the current that will be pulled from the system-on-chip that drives this signal.  I would not recommend you drive the signal yourself.


--- Quote from: soldar on February 07, 2024, 07:22:07 pm ---Another question. In the schematics I notice items marked SXX (S24, S25, etc) which look like jumpers but in some places they make no sense to me as jumpers. Can you explain this? What am I missing?

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Vestel make cheap televisions (among other products), and like to minimise their R&D and production costs. Consequentially, they design a PCB to accommodate possibly hundreds of options, a bit like the venerable Ford Transit can be ordered in some 1 million configurations.  However, the good comparisons end there... Their power supply boards are often designed to accommodate anywhere from a 22" set to a 50" set with a few added capacitors and diodes here or there, but they always tend to be woefully undersized and are prone to failure.  They use some truly funky designs.  It looks like the 5V rail on your board is derived using an NPN transistor from the 12V rail, rather than an LDO, probably because it saves 1-2 cents.  That means if the 5V rail shorts it probably smokes that transistor.   |O

The 'Sxxx' stuff you see in the schematic will be for the various options.  And they never give you a schematic that covers your exact model.  Which can be a headache.  But, at least you can get the schematics.  You just have to figure out what to do with those schematics.

Edit:  misread you.  You got it the right way around first time.
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