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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Neutrion on November 29, 2023, 02:20:53 pm ---I always wonder how this extremely small amout of people who are pushing this genderism could get so much influence.

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There was a significant problem and it required the Womens' Lib movement to focus attention on the problem and get some laws introduced. Good; that attention and those laws improved society. Most (young) people could identify with the problems, and appreciated the changes. The people that had fought that fight were justifiably lionised, and that lead to them finding themselves in postitions of influence.

Some people in the Womens' Lib movement had hitched their career and/or sense of value/purpose to the struggle. When the major problems had been addressed, they had to either retire and enjoy their success, or find new problems to fight against. Those problems have to be, by definition, less severe than the original problems.

The young people assumed without thinking that the reinvented fighters' cause was just as serious as the original, so the fighters were given the benefit of the doubt.
The original fighters (who hadn't retired) were now in a postition to influence the future, and they used it.

Rinse and repeat that a few times, and the remaining problems are much less significant than the original problems.  The new fighters have to become more extreme to get people to pay attention.

The same is true of the homosexual community.

There's an interesting 1990 book, "No More Sex War" by Neil Lyndon. In it he used the same debating tactics that the remaining feminists used against the patriachy. The feminists howled loudly, presumably not seeing the irony. It made Neil Lyndon almost unemployable.

Interesting question from that book: "what's the age that a UK resident is most likely to be a homicide victim?". Most people would guess teens or 16-24. Wrong. The most dangerous age was (is?) under 1 year old, and 55% of the perps were (are?) women - their mothers. Of course it isn't classed as murder, but as infanticide, so the naive statistics don't reflect the question.

coppice:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on November 29, 2023, 05:23:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Neutrion on November 29, 2023, 02:20:53 pm ---I always wonder how this extremely small amout of people who are pushing this genderism could get so much influence.

--- End quote ---

There was a significant problem and it required the Womens' Lib movement to focus attention on the problem and get some laws introduced. Good; that attention and those laws improved society. Most (young) people could identify with the problems, and appreciated the changes. The people that had fought that fight were justifiably lionised, and that lead to them finding themselves in postitions of influence.

Some people in the Womens' Lib movement had hitched their career and/or sense of value/purpose to the struggle. When the major problems had been addressed, they had to either retire and enjoy their success, or find new problems to fight against. Those problems have to be, by definition, less severe than the original problems.

The young people assumed without thinking that the reinvented fighters' cause was just as serious as the original, so the fighters were given the benefit of the doubt.
The original fighters (who hadn't retired) were now in a postition to influence the future, and they used it.

Rinse and repeat that a few times, and the remaining problems are much less significant than the original problems.  The new fighters have to become more extreme to get people to pay attention.

The same is true of the homosexual community.

There's an interesting 1990 book, "No More Sex War" by Neil Lyndon. In it he used the same debating tactics that the remaining feminists used against the patriachy. The feminists howled loudly, presumably not seeing the irony. It made Neil Lyndon almost unemployable.

Interesting question from that book: "what's the age that a UK resident is most likely to be a homicide victim?". Most people would guess teens or 16-24. Wrong. The most dangerous age was (is?) under 1 year old, and 55% of the perps were (are?) women - their mothers. Of course it isn't classed as murder, but as infanticide, so the naive statistics don't reflect the question.

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The real problem is this. If there is something meaningful people agree needs changing, and they can make it happen fast, all is good. If they take enough time that people get careers invested in the cause, they will never stop. If its something like an endangered animal, and they get it back to a safe position, they might move on to some other animal and do good work saving that. If there's no clear new path to persue they won't disband and ruin their pension plans. They'll do anything to keep the cause going, usually into strange territory.

Or,more succinctly: "Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” ― Eric Hoffer, The Temper of Our Time

Gregg:
This is where many educational administrators are going:

MrMobodies:

--- Quote ---Queensland University of Technology's vice-chancellor has defended the decision to remove all references to "merit" from its hiring policy.
Staff were told about the move via an internal email, which informed them that they would be moving away from "the merit principle" towards a "more inclusive suitability assessment".
Vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil told ABC Radio Brisbane the * suitability assessment would consider factors such as gender and ethnic backgrounds.

Professor Sheil said it would also consider the current demographic breakdown of their various schools and disciplines.

She said women, for example, were under-represented in science and engineering at QUT whereas men were under-represented in teaching and nursing.
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So what are they going to do, make it unfair on the male gender who want to study or rubbish their marks for a women there who happened to do the same amount and quality of work?


--- Quote from: tggzzz on November 29, 2023, 10:52:06 am ---
Where identity politics is involved, I'll bet that there is a policy about LGBTQGHXK. In that case all the men have to do is state that they "identify as female". If enough do it, maybe some of the women will be ejected to ensure balance or be forced to "identify as men".
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So that's what this thing is called "identity politics".

It reminds me a bit like this article:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/red-alert-politics/teacher-bans-boys-playing-legos-gender-equality

--- Quote ---Teacher bans boys from playing with legos because of 'gender equality'
by Ryan Girdusky  November 23, 2015 01:40 PM

Teacher: 'no legos' for boys for 'gender equality'

According to the Bainbridge Island Review, a kindergarten teacher restricted boys from playing with legos in order to institute more "gender equality." “I always tell the boys, ‘You’re going to have a turn’ — and I’m like, ‘Yeah, when hell freezes over’ in my head. I tell them, ‘You’ll have a turn’ because I don’t want them to feel bad,” said kindergarten teacher Karen Keller to the Bainbridge Island Review.

Keller has been a teacher at Captain Johnston Blakely Elementary since 2008 and realized that girls often times would play with dolls and crayons, while boys would play with blocks. This seemed to happen naturally, as if science and biology dictated what appealed to boys and girls. Societal norms, like girls playing with dolls over blocks, is what Kellar blames for the disparity between men and women in the science, technology, engineering, and math fields.

Being an active social justice warrior, Keller couldn't have the girls playing with that failed to develop perseverance, she had to act. After all children that play with blocks are more likely to better develop spacial and math skills. Keller appealed to the Bainbridge Schools Foundation to receive a grant for more blocks, only they would be for girls only.

The Washington Examiner reported that during the first month of children's time in kindergarten, Keller would ban boys from playing with the new LEGO Education Community Starter Kits. It's sad that the only way Keller a way to encourage "equality" was segregate the sexes and bring boys down. Despite concern from parents Blakely Elementary's principal, Reese Ande said the school does not "promote access or opportunity through any forms of exclusion." Ande also said that Keller is "a passionate teacher who cares deeply for each and every one of her students
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So if the girls don't have an interest in a particular subject rather than try to make it more appealing or provide more stuff and resources if they are short to encourage more, don't do anything but restrict access to the boys to make it looks like it is equal.

magic:

--- Quote from: MrMobodies on November 29, 2023, 09:23:18 pm ---So if the girls don't have an interest in a particular subject rather than try to make it more appealing or provide more stuff and resources if they are short to encourage more, don't do anything but restrict access to the boys to make it looks like it is equal.

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Crippling girls is just as harmful as crippling boys.

What would be the use of luring them away from their dolls and turning them into socially inept nerds?

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