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| SiliconWizard:
The goal of this whole crap is to make the west, as we know it, commit suicide. I'm not kidding, it's not just speculation. But it's a question for another time and place I guess. The ultimate reason, though, is still unclear, and most likely multiple. There isn't just one motive to it, I think there are several, they just happen to agree on the milestone. |
| MrMobodies:
--- Quote from: coppice on November 29, 2023, 03:14:07 pm ---That was a funky period in British politics. The tripartite school system (actually just two levels in most of the country) was pushed by people on the left. It allowed working class kids in state schools to compete on fairly equal terms with wealthy kids going to expensive public schools, so it seemed like something the left should be behind. Before it was effectively rolled out across the whole of the UK fashion changed, and the left was suddenly in favour of scrapping the system, and having a single level of "comprehensive schools", which are a kind of "most children left behind" scheme . --- End quote --- I know of a maths teacher who I was still in contact that use to keep the students behind at the end of the day if he felt they were not doing well enough to help whatever problems they may have or what they don't grasp. In 2016 he was told he was no longer allowed to this anymore and if they fall behind demote them to a lower class. He refused saying that no one tells me how teach I had been doing this job for 40 years and my teaching method ensure they are successful in passing. Instead he decide to retire at the end of the year as he was of age and to teach privately. He said to me before he retired about the amount of paperwork they were getting him to do over the years which had nothing to do with teaching that he struggling with to find the time where he had to leave later in the evenings and then he spoke something to do with red tape being applied to things. He said he had been teaching for 40 years and that they made him feel like he was no longer an expert anymore with them telling him how he should teach despite the high pass rate of his classes. I just remembered something he told from last decade where the boys were quite most of the time but quite of few of the girls use to talk to one another during the lesson and not pay attention to him and the board so he had to plan where they were going to sit and every now again he'd shuffled them around and they'd be fine for a couple of weeks. --- Quote ---That suited the rich, as it reduced competition with their kids, so they let the change occur. No conspiracy, just everyone powerful pushing in the same direction with different goals.p. --- End quote --- That make sense to me where some places underarchieve and run the lowest and limited set of choices. Also my tutor above said to me "they make things so much more difficult than they need to be that he wouldn't be able to study to become a maths teacher in this day and age, There was a thing in the news in 2010 on state schools running a restricted set of subjects and many that were blacklisted by universities. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/aug/20/a-level-subjects-blacklist-claim --- Quote ---A-level results: Top universities secretly list 'banned' subjects – teachers This article is more than 13 years old Blacklist said to contain non-traditional A-level subjects mainly offered by comprehensives rather than private schools Oxford is one of the elite universities accused of operating a subjects blacklist. Photograph: Oli A-levels A-level results: Top universities secretly list 'banned' subjects – teachers Blacklist said to contain non-traditional A-level subjects mainly offered by comprehensives rather than private schools Jessica Shepherd, education correspondent Fri 20 Aug 2010 21.30 BST The country's top universities have been called on to come clean about an unofficial list or lists of "banned" A-level subjects that may have prevented tens of thousands of state school pupils getting on to degree courses. Teachers suspect the Russell Group of universities – which includes Oxford and Cambridge – of rejecting outright pupils who take A-level subjects that appear on the unpublished lists. The lists are said to contain subjects such as law, art and design, business studies, drama and theatre studies – non-traditional A-level subjects predominantly offered by comprehensives, rather than private schools. The London School of Economics is thought to be the only top university to publish its own list of "non-preferred" subjects. Cambridge University did so until last year. Teachers accused universities of putting comprehensive pupils at a disadvantage by refusing to publish their lists. Some claimed the lists were a filter that enabled the most prestigious universities to accept more private school pupils than state-educated ones. Already private school pupils dominate entry to top universities and could do so more in future. A-level results published on Thursday showed that selective private schools continue to outperform comprehensives in terms of A and A* grades. Private school pupils are three times more likely to score the highest grade than comprehensive pupils, achieving 30% of the total number of A* grades when their pupils accounted for just 14% of entries. Comprehensive schools achieve 30% of the A* grades on 43% of entries. But even the brightest state school pupils, with a string of As and A*s, stand little chance of a place at a top university this year if they have taken one or more of the A-level subjects on the unofficial lists, the teachers said. These students will join this year's unprecedented scramble for university places. An estimated 180,000 students are predicted to be turned away from every degree course starting this autumn because of record numbers of applications. John Bangs, former head of education at the National Union of Teachers, said he strongly suspected that there was a single unofficial list of banned subjects. "The list is built on the assumption that these subjects are easier than others and not academic enough," he said. "This is just another sign of the Russell Group using a filter to stop people they don't want from getting into their universities. They have no concern about fairness. They should be far more transparent. If they have this list, let them publish it and show us the evidence that these subjects are easier." Andy Gardner, of the Institute of Career Guidance, said he had confronted Russell Group universities about the alleged list in the past. "I think there is certainly an element of there being subjects that [the Russell Group] doesn't rate," Gardner, who advises state school pupils on their university choices, said. "Children in state schools are disadvantaged by this." Mike Griffiths, headteacher of Northampton School for Boys and a council member of the Association of School and College Leaders, said he suspected universities of rejecting students who did drama A-level in particular. One of his pupils has three A*s but no place at university and he believes this may be because he took drama. "Universities need to be more honest about what criteria they are using [to select pupils]," he said. "I don't have a problem with universities having subjects that they consider to be less helpful, but they need to be upfront about it." Geoff Lucas, secretary of the Headmasters' and Headmistresses' Conference, which represents headteachers of 250 independent schools, said universities must "come clean if there were unwritten rules" about so-called banned subjects. State school pupils were more likely to choose a subject in the unofficial list because independent schools mainly offer traditional subjects, Lucas said. "Students have the absolute right to see this list." Wendy Piatt, director general of the Russell Group, said no Russell Group university barred any A-level subject. "University websites typically include details on 'essential' and 'preferred' A-levels to help students maximise their chances of gaining entry to competitive degree courses," she said. "Most provide very clear and comprehensive information on required A-level subjects and which ones will not be considered when making admissions decisions. Students would be well advised to take very careful note of such requirements." This week's A-level results showed that pupils were increasingly shunning so-called "soft" subjects in favour of science, economics and maths. --- End quote --- Similar happening to the NHS with longer waiting lists and encouragement towards private care to get seen to sooner. I remembered back in 2001, some years after Tony Blair brought out the tuition fee's and my school which had an agreement with a local university to help people like me but the fee's applied so they couldn't afford to send us and they scrapped the program before we even started. I went to many different colleges in the area which were running the courses I want to do but I was told they were not doing them next year and to apply to university to do it and they are now switching to these things called NVQ's that were we offered the year before instead of the GCSE's if the students didn't present enough work for it. I sensed a watering down of things from that point onwards. |
| Nominal Animal:
Western universities no longer exist for education and research, but for indoctrination and socio-cultural control. The saddest part in this is that those driving this, truly and utterly believe this is for the good. They are incapable of rational logic, and no amount of argument or proof will change their beliefs. If those people live long enough to see the destruction their actions lead to, they will reject all blame by either claiming that their opponents are the reason their policies lead to destruction, or (in the absence of opponents) that nobody could have foreseen their policies would lead to such destruction. There is no conspiracy, just irrational beliefs, ineptitude, and stupidity. |
| CatalinaWOW:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on November 30, 2023, 03:19:55 am ---Western universities no longer exist for education and research, but for indoctrination and socio-cultural control. The saddest part in this is that those driving this, truly and utterly believe this is for the good. They are incapable of rational logic, and no amount of argument or proof will change their beliefs. If those people live long enough to see the destruction their actions lead to, they will reject all blame by either claiming that their opponents are the reason their policies lead to destruction, or (in the absence of opponents) that nobody could have foreseen their policies would lead to such destruction. There is no conspiracy, just irrational beliefs, ineptitude, and stupidity. --- End quote --- Another outcome that is better for the rest of us, but similar for those driving this is that the bulk of society merely ignores the institutions involved in this, and that the real research and teaching universities return to the their roots. The other unis would gradually die from lack of funding and recruits. The excuses for what happened would be identical to your scenario. I actually have some hope that this scenario will happen. Not confidence. Hope. |
| magic:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 29, 2023, 10:08:35 pm ---The goal of this whole crap is to make the west, as we know it, commit suicide. I'm not kidding, it's not just speculation. --- End quote --- I hope that no one will miss "the west as we know it" today ;D Feminism was all fun when it was brainwashing girls to be like boys, but now that those brainwashed girls brainwash boys to be like girls suddenly it's a problem for men? Gender theory was all fun when it was about pushing women into men's "spaces", but now that men want into women's "spaces" suddenly it's a problem for feminists? I call it justice being served and I watch western news like a comedy they are. Speaking of which, here's another one from 40 years ago. The action is set in 2044, so "the west" still has a few years left to meet the time frame... :popcorn: Context: men have wiped themselves out in a world war and these were the last left, plus the leader of this feminist organization who of course was a disguised man too ;) |
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