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Queensland University of Technology defends removing 'merit' from hiring policy

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Neutrion:

--- Quote from: magic on November 29, 2023, 02:30:42 pm ---What would bot farms change?


2. stupidity and indoctrination of the general population to be "kind" and "understanding", largely a work done by earlier SJW movements


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You rather don't want to live in a country where there is no kindness and understanding for eachoter.
That is not the problem but the hijacking of this idea by actually very unkind people who are very agressively attacking people who are not sharing their ideology.

Botfarms:
When I read the news about Rowling, I remember a "big furore". But these mostly happen in the internet, and some people and politicians may think that this is actually some kind of major amount of .people



--- Quote from: coppice on November 29, 2023, 05:33:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on November 29, 2023, 05:23:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Neutrion on November 29, 2023, 02:20:53 pm ---I always wonder how this extremely small amout of people who are pushing this genderism could get so much influence.

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There was a significant problem and it required the Womens' Lib movement to focus attention on the problem and get some laws introduced. Good; that attention and those laws improved society. Most (young) people could identify with the problems, and appreciated the changes. The people that had fought that fight were justifiably lionised, and that lead to them finding themselves in postitions of influence.

Some people in the Womens' Lib movement had hitched their career and/or sense of value/purpose to the struggle. When the major problems had been addressed, they had to either retire and enjoy their success, or find new problems to fight against. Those problems have to be, by definition, less severe than the original problems.

The young people assumed without thinking that the reinvented fighters' cause was just as serious as the original, so the fighters were given the benefit of the doubt.
The original fighters (who hadn't retired) were now in a postition to influence the future, and they used it.

Rinse and repeat that a few times, and the remaining problems are much less significant than the original problems.  The new fighters have to become more extreme to get people to pay attention.

The same is true of the homosexual community.

There's an interesting 1990 book, "No More Sex War" by Neil Lyndon. In it he used the same debating tactics that the remaining feminists used against the patriachy. The feminists howled loudly, presumably not seeing the irony. It made Neil Lyndon almost unemployable.

Interesting question from that book: "what's the age that a UK resident is most likely to be a homicide victim?". Most people would guess teens or 16-24. Wrong. The most dangerous age was (is?) under 1 year old, and 55% of the perps were (are?) women - their mothers. Of course it isn't classed as murder, but as infanticide, so the naive statistics don't reflect the question.

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The real problem is this. If there is something meaningful people agree needs changing, and they can make it happen fast, all is good. If they take enough time that people get careers invested in the cause, they will never stop. If its something like an endangered animal, and they get it back to a safe position, they might move on to some other animal and do good work saving that. If there's no clear new path to persue they won't disband and ruin their pension plans. They'll do anything to keep the cause going, usually into strange territory.

Or,more succinctly: "Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” ― Eric Hoffer, The Temper of Our Time


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--- Quote from: tggzzz on November 29, 2023, 05:23:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Neutrion on November 29, 2023, 02:20:53 pm ---I always wonder how this extremely small amout of people who are pushing this genderism could get so much influence.

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There was a significant problem and it required the Womens' Lib movement to focus attention on the problem and get some laws introduced. Good; that attention and those laws improved society. Most (young) people could identify with the problems, and appreciated the changes. The people that had fought that fight were justifiably lionised, and that lead to them finding themselves in postitions of influence.

Some people in the Womens' Lib movement had hitched their career and/or sense of value/purpose to the struggle. When the major problems had been addressed, they had to either retire and enjoy their success, or find new problems to fight against. Those problems have to be, by definition, less severe than the original problems.

The young people assumed without thinking that the reinvented fighters' cause was just as serious as the original, so the fighters were given the benefit of the doubt.
The original fighters (who hadn't retired) were now in a postition to influence the future, and they used it.

Rinse and repeat that a few times, and the remaining problems are much less significant than the original problems.  The new fighters have to become more extreme to get people to pay attention.

The same is true of the homosexual community.

There's an interesting 1990 book, "No More Sex War" by Neil Lyndon. In it he used the same debating tactics that the remaining feminists used against the patriachy. The feminists howled loudly, presumably not seeing the irony. It made Neil Lyndon almost unemployable.

Interesting question from that book: "what's the age that a UK resident is most likely to be a homicide victim?". Most people would guess teens or 16-24. Wrong. The most dangerous age was (is?) under 1 year old, and 55% of the perps were (are?) women - their mothers. Of course it isn't classed as murder, but as infanticide, so the naive statistics don't reflect the question.

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Reasonable explanation, seems plausible. But it also needs a lot of young followers. Who are not just stupid but have a lack of respect for others. And politicians who get the feeling that they represent the majority. But whenever there is any  voting on these issues, or somehow connected to them we find that the majority is not at all behind these ideas. But because people are not allowed to vote direcly on issues, this is a very slow ind indirect reflection.


--- Quote from: magic on November 30, 2023, 08:37:15 am ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 29, 2023, 10:08:35 pm ---The goal of this whole crap is to make the west, as we know it, commit suicide. I'm not kidding, it's not just speculation.

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I hope that no one will miss "the west as we know it" today ;D

Feminism was all fun when it was brainwashing girls to be like boys, but now that those brainwashed girls brainwash boys to be like girls suddenly it's a problem for men?
Gender theory was all fun when it was about pushing women into men's "spaces", but now that men want into women's "spaces" suddenly it's a problem for feminists?

I call it justice being served and I watch western news like a comedy they are. Speaking of which, here's another one from 40 years ago.
The action is set in 2044, so "the west" still has a few years left to meet the time frame... :popcorn:



Context: men have wiped themselves out in a world war and these were the last left, plus the leader of this feminist organization who of course was a disguised man too ;)

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The "WEST". Well so far people from the east are moving to the west, so if it would be so bad it would be the other way around. The average happyness index is generally still better in the west despite all this bullshit. Not many americans or Germans are fleeing to Russia, or Hungary to have a better life.

You probably also would not like to live in China or Russia. So if you have a look at all statistics the west is still a better place to live. And if people wake up and talk about these issues they can change the situation. In Russia you go to prison, or just die in some accident or by high speed lead flying around.
And China became a totalitarian digital prison.
And of course you don't hear about similarly bad trends in the east in the state media. (At least in the hungarian) Read watch some different news channels as well, which are sometimes focusing on our problems.

DimitriP:

--- Quote ---The saddest part in this is that those driving this, truly and utterly believe this is for the good.  They are incapable of rational logic, and no amount of argument or proof will change their beliefs
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The best puppet is the one that doesn't know it has strings attached to it.

HalFET:
Fun fact: These sort of policies are the reason behind some of the biggest oafs I know becoming tenured professors and several skilled highly-motivated people burning out and working 9 to 5 designing lighting armatures instead of doing teaching and research.

RJSV:
   Yes, I can see the point,...in isolation of all other dynamics you certainly COULD state that a bias or (how did she put it) recognize that, for instance, a male bias in engineering dept. seems to occur...HOWEVER;
   However; this little isolated dynamic is stated in EXCLUSION OF the myrid of other effects and outcomes happening, in the complex University hiring process.

   'Cant be color-blind'...Isn't that code talk for admitting RACISM ?

coppice:

--- Quote from: RJSV on December 01, 2023, 07:53:51 pm ---   Yes, I can see the point,...in isolation of all other dynamics you certainly COULD state that a bias or (how did she put it) recognize that, for instance, a male bias in engineering dept. seems to occur...HOWEVER;
   However; this little isolated dynamic is stated in EXCLUSION OF the myrid of other effects and outcomes happening, in the complex University hiring process.

   'Cant be color-blind'...Isn't that code talk for admitting RACISM ?

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Racism, anti-semitism, all the old vices are back in fashion right now.

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