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tszaboo:

--- Quote from: MasterTech on September 11, 2020, 07:22:05 am ---German engineering is not what it used to be, young generations are definitively not the hard working class of the 60s to 90s engineers.

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That is not true at all. There is huge amount of engineering going into German products and they are very well enginnered. It is just not going into the parts that they should. To stay with the car example: They know how to make quality, understandable cars, that will go forever. Look at Mercedes W124. Goes forever. And that is a problem.
You see, an VW has a few hundred EUR profit on a car. Something like 5%. It's nothing.

They also have some 50% profit margin on servicing, and 25-30% on parts. Their goal is a broken car, outside the warranty. It takes enormous amount of engineering to make something break exactly when you want it. But they are well made on other aspects. Like have you seen a rusting VW in the last 20 years? Something on the back of a trailer, that goes into the junkyard? Something that breaks and kills you? No, they just break ever slightly so you have to go to the service to get it fixed. Turbocharger for example.

It is reprehensible, but it is todays reality. Hopefully tomorrows reality is different, probably we have to pay huge amounts for infotainment and gadgets.

jfiresto:

--- Quote from: MasterTech on September 11, 2020, 02:08:48 am ---Volvo is the best, besides that they are the only ones who got the lockdown right, so now I trust them even more....
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If you ever encountered a Swedish moose up close, you appreciate why old Volvos were built like tanks.

jfiresto:

--- Quote from: Ysjoelfir on September 11, 2020, 07:11:29 am ---... Also the made in Germany thing is sadly (in many, but not all, cases) a thing of the past. many companies who say "made in Germany" just don't care about quality anymore. there are a few exceptions though. also I noticed a recent increase in a logo which says "Engineered in Germany". Seems like they noticed that people know that "made in germany" doesn't mean that its actually built here anymore, so more honest companies at least don't claim that any longer.
One example where I personally noticed that recently is Stahlwerk, a companies who builds welders. On my new welder it says Engineered in Germany, but its manufactured in china....
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My friends and I make it something of a sport to spot how German companies feed the wish for "Made in Germany" without denying the reality, for example, by artfully including the national colors. Here is the box for an electric egg cooker I bought a few years back. First the top and then the bottom. Why is the explanation in English?

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: jfiresto on September 11, 2020, 09:15:11 am ---
--- Quote from: Ysjoelfir on September 11, 2020, 07:11:29 am ---... Also the made in Germany thing is sadly (in many, but not all, cases) a thing of the past. many companies who say "made in Germany" just don't care about quality anymore. there are a few exceptions though. also I noticed a recent increase in a logo which says "Engineered in Germany". Seems like they noticed that people know that "made in germany" doesn't mean that its actually built here anymore, so more honest companies at least don't claim that any longer.
One example where I personally noticed that recently is Stahlwerk, a companies who builds welders. On my new welder it says Engineered in Germany, but its manufactured in china....
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My friends and I make it something of a sport to spot how German companies feed the wish for "Made in Germany" without denying the reality, for example, by artfully including the national colors. Here is the box for an electric egg cooker I bought a few years back. First the top and then the bottom. Why is the explanation in English?

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Because they hope to sell it to non-german speaking markets? English speakers worldwide: 1.3 biillion, German speakers worldwide: 132 million - a tenfold (originally said hundredfold, I can't count) difference. If you're rhetorically trying to suggest that it's to hide the true origin from German speakers I think that's untenable as an explanation - 56% of Germans also speak English (for comparison, only 38% of Britons are bilingual or better and only 25% of the USA).

blackbird:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on September 11, 2020, 11:37:23 am ---Because they hope to sell it to non-german speaking markets? English speakers worldwide: 1.3 biillion, German speakers worldwide: 132 million - a hundredfold difference. If you're rhetorically trying to suggest that it's to hide the true origin from German speakers I think that's untenable as an explanation - 56% of Germans also speak English (for comparison, only 38% of Britons are bilingual or better and only 25% of the USA).

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If you juggle with numbers.... 1.3 billion divided by 132 million is about 10, not hundred.
Or the world has more humans than we know (13 billion) or there are only about 13 million German speaking humans, you are right.  ;)

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